粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.86 ) 日期：2012/11/05 04:30 留言者：james 辛兄， KC兄， （82， 83， 84） 我們推廣粵曲， 當然是希望做到雅俗共賞。 但正如辛兄所說， 本身的知識水平高，下，欣賞的能力 就有深， 淺的分別。 舉一個例： 很多人 喜歡看林書豪打籃球， 但會打籃球的人， 對 他的評語， 當然比較深入。 Michael Jordan 看他打球， 當然又是另一個感受。不會唱歌的人， 當然可以欣賞粵曲， 也不影響他的趣味。 但他的 評語， 不一定有深度。 而粵曲評論家， 一定要有 一定的知識， 而會唱粵曲， 也是一個大幫助。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.87 ) 日期：2012/11/05 09:09 留言者：Kc 做評論家，當然是越內行越有資格評論！ 但回到主題，談粵曲味，要明晒辛兄所列八大項，才算明解粵曲味，對一般不是學習唱曲之人，似乎頗有難度！ 為了討論而討論，故kc有雅俗要共賞之說！即不懂唱也應明解何謂粵曲味，才是！ 再退一步來說，通常聽慣粵曲的朋友，很容易對某人，或某新曲，有"有粵曲味"，"冇粵曲味"之說！但旁人可能同意或不同意！因為如人飲水！冷暖自知！ 因各人背景，認知，要求，皆不同也！ 近年聼得頗多，是很多新曲無粵曲味！ 再講也是難用一定義說清楚，所以一開始大家已有各自表述的共識！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.88 ) 日期：2012/11/05 16:26 留言者：辛帆风 众曲友： 各位高见小弟都同意，最紧要畀人讲不同意见，至会长讲长有嘛。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.89 ) 日期：2012/11/05 21:18 留言者：寸草心 呢个都可算是个老而彌堅既話題: "粤曲味" 她是那么迷人卻視而不見,難以捉摸(無三级架),甚至不可以三言兩語就講倒明白..... 不过,呢个幽靈(借用下)又实屬存在: 張学友同劉德華都冇既,梅艷芳孖麥嘉又feel倒! 啱板音準都唔算;上下句冇錯都冇用;唔撞锣古祇系合格;口白清楚不过好应該! 不过重系爭咁少少...........俾心机啦! 真拗頭! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.90 ) 日期：2012/11/06 06:06 留言者：TL 有人唱得唔係幾好，但聽落又有D味；有人唱得幾好，但聽落又冇味。 依家話冇味個D，孫仔個輩人就會話有味啦。即係我地聽阿爺個輩人唱D曲，唱到幾衰都係有味嘅。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.91 ) 日期：2012/11/06 18:16 留言者：寸草心 哦............! TL C兄, 好似入左間古老大屋既 Feel! 我明囉! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.92 ) 日期：2012/11/06 22:12 留言者：辛帆风 我细个时长辈成日系屋企唱粤曲，我唔觉得有味，只觉得吵耳、噪音。系电台听个的就宁舍唔同。小弟个阵时最迷新马既《客途秋恨》。筹款义唱就听到天光都唔眼训(我父亲一定录音)。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.93 ) 日期：2012/11/06 22:40 留言者：寸草心 粤曲味: =?...........古老?....过时?....过氣?....卜卜齋?.......没落情懷?.........听之有味!?学时迷惘!? Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.94 ) 日期：2012/11/06 22:48 留言者：辛帆风 小弟同意每个人对粤曲味的定义都可以有自己既看法，但这看法最好有一套理论基础，避免被反问既尴尬。新佬讲过件真人真事畀我听，笑到我肚疼。话说有一回他被邀请去某曲社会庆唱曲助庆(乐师从深圳来)，他唱了一首凡腔独唱曲，座上反应几好。点知同围某君(都几熟)忽然发难问点解杂有新马腔？新佬觉得无；但系无谓拗。佢忽然灵机一触，好有礼貌咁话多谢，但系唔知阁下觉得刚才我既凡腔同新马腔既特点系边句体现出来，提点吓等我有得改善。某君顿时七彩上面然後坐去另一围。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.95 ) 日期：2012/11/07 03:35 留言者：四姑娘 我覺得唱歌者都先要了解曲詞行間的意思，個故事典故，點解會引用那些字而不用另外的文詞。明白了，套入人物間，唱曲就會比較上可以做到有感情。 辛兄的事件，我見過，只好說有些人是喜歡唱臭口，成日以行專自居！就像有個人氏，批評和指責我好在此網上塗鴉，並抬高自已是電腦專家知曉網絡的一切。講真，關他個屁事 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.96 ) 日期：2012/11/07 07:06 留言者：TL 李澤厚在《華夏美學》一書中對“味”有所論述。李澤厚認為，“味”是我國審美學中一個很獨特的概念。無論是書畫金石、或文學或戲曲，無不強調和追求一個“味”字。但我沒有看到他有關“味”的淵源的探討。我個人的理解是：與西方藝術體系大不相同，中國藝術很強調承傳。“味”就在對藝術的承傳因素的鑑賞中體現出來。 粵曲的演繹風格與時俱進，代代不同。唱者在學習過程中，摹仿繼承，掌握各種演唱技巧（一如辛帆風網友所列諸項）的同時，在風格趣味方面更有意或無意地接受着先一代藝人的熏染，這就是“味”之所依憑。熏染深者，其味如脂如甘；熏染不足者，就味同嚼蠟了。 唱者在學習過程中，除了縱向繼承，還會有橫向的交集，於是與上一代有了時代風格的差異。唱者由於自身禀賦，必然又有其與眾不同的個人風格。後兩種風格如果太強太新，以至掩蓋了傳統風格的時候，即使技巧夠紮實，因承傳的因素相對削弱，“味”也就隨之消減了。於是會出現唱得不錯但沒味、唱得不大好但有味的現象。 所謂傳統，說白了不外就是上幾代的東西。所以聽阿爺的就夠味，聽孫仔的就沒味；當代的現在聽來不夠味，將來聽就或者會夠味。 上述不免有想當然之處，謹以此就教於辛帆風兄。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.97 ) 日期：2012/11/07 10:04 留言者：Kc TL兄:說得有理！ 味，同品味是一條大題目，可各舒己見，暢所欲言！ 高品味之人，如伯牙，子期，知音難求！ 所以有曲高和寡之說！ 所以有今日的流行曲，可能是日後古典曲的說法！ 粵曲也如是吧？

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