粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3376 ) 日期：2013/06/26 23:57 留言者：寸草心 靠估, ......係TL兄惦繫知音之意卦! ..........0-10,請比分! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3377 ) 日期：2013/06/27 01:03 留言者：Kc 關老兄，對仗工整？ 小弟也曾讀過對聯果D，什麼雲對雨，雪對風， 來鴻就對去燕，宿鳥就對嗚蟲！ 三尺劍，六斤弓，嶺北對江東！ 人間清暑殿•••••查的的撐！天上就廣寒宫！ 隔岸曉煙楊柳緣！的的••的的 滿園春色杏花紅！ 好！拋住咁多先！ 千里來龍，在此結穴•••••• 請問 律 對 琴，算唔算工整呢？ T𠃊兄：吹吹水咋！有怪莫怪！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3378 ) 日期：2013/06/27 01:19 留言者：辛奇士 哦！系元前五百年唔系五百蚊，谨受教。小弟唔系谦，番薯仔唔系果皮。粤讴个讴字听D叔父话读呕音，系平声定仄声呢？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3379 ) 日期：2013/06/27 03:04 留言者：諾基亞 師曠作的音律或學識，對上伯牙演奏技巧 生對生，亦通 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3380 ) 日期：2013/06/27 01:53 留言者：guan K师兄， 若果讨论的是物理或者电子，你话一呆唔敢说二，虽然那些呆也不弱，不过你是师兄，论资排辈，呆实收声．不过家阵讨论的是诗词对仗，似乎唔系你个瓣，你当让下呆，听呆讲一次，好吗？ 律 對 琴，仄声对平声，名词对名词，律是音律知识，琴是调琴技术，知识对技术，你话工整唔工整？你讲呆唔讲。 另：金山橙，讴字是阴平。 香港地呆哋呢一代人边个唔系番薯仔啵，整个中学，读过的中文课本包括十本语文，六本中史，合共十六大本。讲鸡肠呆都唔渣架，虽然见到鬼佬口哑哑，不过碰到唐人呆会讲番话。Try me！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3381 ) 日期：2013/06/27 01:57 留言者：guan 手机大佬， 呆边码字边睇温布顿网球，原来你代呆答咗，重覆添，唔好意思，呆唔系抄你架，不过great minds think alike咋！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3382 ) 日期：2013/06/27 08:28 留言者：TL 幾個相熟網友都曾在貼後“淫”幾句，和尚摸得，我摸不得？不想竟摸出些首尾來，也足見眾人垂注之意。謝！ 最討厭見到人自己寫詩自己評，更何況詩無達詁？寸兄既讀出意思來了，在下就不囉嗦了。 謳入下平聲十一尤，未聞有讀上聲者。 對仗有工對意對之分。工整也不僅僅是字面上對得工的意思。 在下另一舊作，聯中也有一“元”字。於今念來尚頗自得。聯云： 君輸幾歲贏元氣，我善多杯有晉風。 “元”對“晉”，“氣”對“風”，當得上工整二字否？ 此樓非談詩處，打住。下不為例！ 為免被刪貼，扯幾句粵曲。 美聲唱法與傳統唱法（最好稱之為丹田氣發聲法）都要有專業訓練，在民間不容易流行。業餘人士能掌握正確發聲方法的是極少數，一般都是開口就來。許多人所謂用氣僅止於頓位偷氣，至於胸腹腔共鳴等等，僅靠自己摸索，一似盲人瞎馬。我不敢說無成功者，但說絕無僅有大概也不算太誇張。（guan在另一貼提到一例，也就一例而已。）所以說美聲唱法在民間影響不大，不妨與丹田氣發聲法共存。 萬一將來真的讓美聲唱法佔盡風流，那是時代揚棄的結果。你只能在慨嘆之中承受過來。 然則辛、新二兄弟的警惕乃至抵制有無必要呢？回答當然是肯定的。 我反覆表達過一個觀點，請讓我不厭其詳，再說一次。 業界的精英們（新兄應算在其中）的觀點（就觀點而言，不以人分）分別表現在兩個尖端。一端是不斷創新，這是粵曲生命力之所在。另一端是盡力維持傳統，這是粵曲祠堂，姓粵的根基。兩端缺一不可。兩端之間是一個龐大的群體（包括辛兄和我）。這個群體的成分、觀點都很複雜。就其個體而言並無話語權，但新舊兩種觀點的平衡，生死存亡，卻是由這個群體整體來定奪。定奪之途徑，除了在實踐中參與取捨之外，在立網討論也是其一。 即：尊重藝術發展的自身規律，無為而治。好與壞、美與醜，由時代來揚棄。 亦即：大浪淘沙。 就美聲之爭，辛兄抵制；guan的朋友接受。美聲唱法在粵曲中的前景就要經過一個時代再視雙方人數的消長始能確定。我則是胸無大志全無所謂之屬。借嚴子陵釣台一聯自況： 磐石釣台高，料理絲綸，獨把一竿觀世局； 扁舟雲路近，安排詩酒，好憑七里聽灘聲。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3383 ) 日期：2013/06/27 08:55 留言者：辛奇士 TL兄： 问题出在世本不重美声，名腔无边个系(红线女的美声与粤曲韵味仍有连系毕竟她是传统过来的)。可她之後几辈(不只一辈)既省内粤曲人(包括专业与业余)响应领导号召，弃传统而就美声，已得大半江山。我地系香港尺寸之地若不起来高呼，恐怕传统将无立足之地矣！您睇省内老倌与唱家络驿於香港曲骚，受敬受介，中不乏美声之霸！今日佢地大可骄傲讲一句：「我唔得，你地点会请我黎演唱呀？」抗衡已无力，惟求自保矣。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3384 ) 日期：2013/06/27 21:20 留言者：Kc 早晨！早晨！ 詩詞也屬粵曲組成部份！吹吹也無妨！音律對撫琴總覺有小小別扭！ 至於一詩一詞，各有見解！各位話得就得囉！ 一推一敲，確可難人！再推敲一下： 笛對琴，律對音！似更工整！（不同意就算！不喜勿插！） 正呀是：一行鴻雁天邊過！得撐！ 半隻燒鵝地上行 呀耶！茶的撐！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3385 ) 日期：2013/06/27 11:13 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： 广东俗语无情对甚过瘾。举例： 双拳打出眼火， 对面睇见牙烟。 可惜俗语乡言渐亡，再无冯志芬咁啜核既曲辞咯！佢个枝《胡不归逼媳》妙语甚多；如：而家撞鬼你咩！哦，搅到用屎（死）黎挞我咯噃！我谢苍天就谢祖先！用辞系神级，乜野诗词歌赋行埋一便！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3386 ) 日期：2013/06/27 11:39 留言者：TL kc兄：多謝賜正，容我斟酌一下。 辛兄：我是個不迷信精英的草根。雖說兩者相得益彰，但不妨作個絕不可能的假設：沒有精英，粵曲可以繼續在草根階層流傳，充其量下里巴人。但沒有草根階層，精英就會隨著粵曲死去。 又，馮志芬一例，就是我在前貼粵曲現狀第三點：俚俗方言被邊沿化。 我也搜得一方言對聯： 有酒本應邀月飲，無錢哪得食雲吞？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3387 ) 日期：2013/06/27 12:30 留言者：guan 吓，乜你哋唔使瞓嘅咩，寻晚至嗲到两点几，今早唔够九点又来过？呆刚刚至掰大双眼咋，真系服得你哋好紧要啊！ TL，呵呵，服嗰个唔包括你啊，你有时差，梗系唔使瞓啦． 唔好意思，理解错咗你首诗添，不过唔怪得呆，你唔俾个诗题，自然难理解点了，既可以是自况，又可以是缅怀故人，你唔言明人家点知啵！ K师兄， 咱俩同门，你系兄来呆是弟，你德高望重，重冇架子添，呢处呆最敬重就数你了，所以呆点敢又点舍得插你呢！ 不过诗词之道，确实不是你嗰瓣，你听下师弟呆好吗？ 对对呢门学问话深唔深，但系话浅又浸得死人个啵，同好多嘢一样，中庸之道通常系最煞食，过尤皆不及也． 好似绘画咁，不似就欺世，太似就媚俗，点样拿捏得似与不似之间就要大师所为了． 对联之道，不对（称）固然不好啦，太对（称）往往就会犯咗合掌的毛病，那是大忌！乜嘢叫合掌？上谷歌查下啦！ 真要挑TL此诗的对仗问题，其实出在腹联处，间关对斟唱是不工整的，间关是名词，斟唱是动词，词性都不对，好难扯得埋，不过上次呆已经好明确话咗“斟唱浮名誤到今”不好，写诗词首重意境，词藻对仗等技巧次之，最不喜欢什么浮名誤到今，不单矫情，嫌俗，本诗尾联连举了三个悲剧人物作结，本诗咏叹的主人翁有多误，不言而喻，何需在此再言明误到今，其实何止误到今，误足一世啦，不单嫌唠叨，重嫌太露，重无力添，越讲越多不是，艺术上就不过关，技巧等细节呆此前才不多说了。 其实你写过诗未呢？唔系读过几本诗词就叫懂得的，送你一首陆游的名作，自己推敲一下，好吗？、 古人学问无遗力，少壮工夫老始成。纸上得来终觉浅，绝知此事要躬行。

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