粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2316 ) 日期：2013/04/12 20:11 留言者：一家言 　　香港的曲艺行家都说香港的唱家唱曲特别有味，他们当然比净系得把声的“大陆腔”耐听和好看，好，最近几年在香港、省内和澳门三地轮流坐庄作赛事东道主的“四洲杯”粤曲大赛，吸引了不少三地曲艺爱好者和高手的注意，而且最后决赛的评委分别由三地各出三人或四人组成，应该说是无可挑剔的了。光说香港的评委，就有梁汉威、尹飞燕、阮兆辉、新剑郎、陈剑声等，广东和澳门的评委人选就不说了，大概每一年都不尽相同。这样组合的评委团，应该说是相当公正的。他们评什么，当然是评唱者的演唱、台风、韵味和声音了，如果省内的选手光有声音上的优势，无论如何是不会年年都得金奖的，香港选手每届都得铜奖的原因是什么呢？ＫＣ先生和老三等都是挺“韵味”的有识之士，劳烦你们作出一个公允的分析。 　　在到目前为止的历届赛事中，香港的那些以“好韵味”著称的参赛选手，不知为何年年都比省内的选手输了七八条街，难道见多识广的香港评委也对有声无味的“大陆腔”情有独钟？哪位觉得自己的韵味能赢遍省内选手的香港唱家，又或者哪位认为个人的豉味唱法可以力压群雄的菊部巨擘，你大可亲自披挂上阵，在这个高手过招的大型赛事上一鸣惊人，夺个金奖威番下！ 　　近年黎骏声、蒋文端、苏春梅、林颖施（最近已被引进到香港演艺学院的粤剧团做正印花旦），频频应邀到香港和当地曲艺唱家出骚，在某些香港著名唱家和粤曲网友看来，他们唱的都是得把声的“大陆腔”，全都是粤剧学校办学宗旨出了偏差培养出来的劣质人才，我就不明白了，怎么还有那么多自己唱得很有韵味，同时也看重对手演唱韵味的香港唱家，高价请他们来香港陪唱？须知，香港有的是唱曲唱得有韵味的唱家嘛！自己既花了大钱，演出效果又差，这样做岂不是“沙湾灯笼——何府（苦）呢？！ 　　寄语各位朋友，戏曲艺术什么时候首先强调的就是声、色、艺，声可是排在第一位的！什么味道排在第一位呢？广州百年老字号致美斋老板买的豉油、酱、醋就排第一了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2317 ) 日期：2013/04/12 21:19 留言者：老三 既然提到老三的名字，禮貌上就該有所回復了，但並非是回答君所問呵。道理很簡單，小弟是敘述自己的觀點而已，既無資格去教人，亦無義務去解釋什麽。討論區，是各述己見的交流地方，將自己的觀點硬套於別人，非益大眾呵。各花入各眼，可以的呀！既有"大陸腔"此低偏性名詞流行，閣下也可償試制造一個"香港垃圾腔"名詞流行啊，世界是自由公平和存在是真理的呵！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2318 ) 日期：2013/04/12 22:02 留言者：老三 講一個千真萬確的笑料：一位國內常任市級粵曲比賽評判的"國內"知名"唱家"，數年前取得香港身份證後，參加香港區"四洲杯"選拔賽，勢估不到在初賽就落馬，被否出局。從此，此君提起香港唱曲界之事就罵聲不絕.....。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2319 ) 日期：2013/04/12 23:52 留言者：Kc 相信 大陸腔 此陰魂在此網依然陰魂未散！ 大家又懶去重溫此網，三十五頁大陸腔的大辯論！ 顧名思義，變成了香港有什麼韻味第一，同大陸腔沒有韻味，對立了的說法！ 簡單D講番回來，八十年代，大陸香港開始由郭鳯女，曾慧等的國內朋友來港文化交流，又加上有一些文革後樣板戲的演出，成了一些香港人印象中，貶人所稱的所謂大陸腔！ 通常大陸腔，多是用來形容一些香港人，唱成如此這般，的當年潮語！ 而不是用來通稱大陸唱得好的朋友的！更不是有香港韻味第一的說法！ 一家言兄所言，完完全全是摸錯了門口！ 所以引申出來，香港亞太請大陸朋友陪唱，攞泥衰，不請自已有韻味的朋友，當中完全是經濟因素的考慮而己！ 講得白D就係貪平吧了！搞不清，又係完完全全諗錯晒！ 至於統稱凡香港腔就有韻味，似乎冇人會咁講噃！這是一個以偏蓋全的說法！ 獨立了有𩐳味，就可或要走去嬴四洲杯，咁講法又係攞泥講吧了！太偏執了吧？ 有冇人咁得閒去証明俾人睇呢？ 近年來曾慧，郭鳯女在香港演出，已經冇人再話佢地大陸腔咯！ 反而一D仲未夠班的香港唱家，依然大唱大陸腔！ 如此這般，又點夠一班不唱大陸腔的大陸朋友斗呢？ 韻味不是一可以獨立了的說法！人地有話要有先天！有技術！有韻味！至得嘛！其中不是已包括了聲色藝咩？ 有人冇聽書？又點再傾呢？ 搞不清，可能又要用三十五頁去講清楚了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2320 ) 日期：2013/04/12 23:26 留言者：辛奇士 各自表述本无问题，问题系没有调查研究，就不要武断；否则一石激起千重浪，容易变意气之争。看过一家言先生的众多帖子，应该可以判断他是有料之人兼在省内曲艺界人脉甚广。他对广东剧校应有深入了解，而不是我地想当然既臆测。愚见：别人家里事，知就讲吓，唔知就估下、八下；既未经历过，千祈咪咬定。这是基本的客观与尊重。 小弟对一家言先生既睇法有同亦有异；声、色、艺一定系艺行先。 大陆老倌来港出曲骚，一的都唔平：一级既盛惠一皮人仔。呢个价贵过晒所有香港唱家。至於香港既一级老倌，系有价无市。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2321 ) 日期：2013/04/12 23:53 留言者：老三 開花與結果，都清清楚楚，還需要去經歷？是那來的邏輯？ 倒是小弟感覺這位先生相當偏頗呵。 討論區中，各人都甘高甘大，沒有敵意性個人攻擊，就該大家都互相尊重。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2322 ) 日期：2013/04/13 00:15 留言者：老三 辛兄 你用大陸一級老倌來對比香港唱家就很不公平了，為什麽不用大陸唱家對比香港唱家？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2323 ) 日期：2013/04/13 00:28 留言者：Kc 兩個凡是！錯得緊要！ 凡是大陸人唱粵曲，就唱大陸腔！ 凡是香港人唱粵曲，就有韻味！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2324 ) 日期：2013/04/13 00:56 留言者：Kc 根本用亞太請人陪唱去論曲藝高低，就係摸錯了門口啦！ 唉！咁仲駛講？ 用戲班專業文武生殺低香港業餘參賽人！又係••••• Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2325 ) 日期：2013/04/13 00:50 留言者：上中下 哈 哈 哈 冇料到.........只好說有味喇......... 通常說你好有曲味..........不用說......即話你冇声喇.......... 如果說你真系好声喇...........即是只得把声喇..... 曲場无真話........說了真話....朋友都冇得做..........你話點講呢? 声 色 艺.......... 哈 哈 哈 最起碼....冇眼.......都知喇............哈 哈 哈 我還是那句...... 如他真的要學你(如果值得)不用一天......嘻..嘻..嘻.. 如果講色要學他嘛......六五乙........≒≠＋－×÷√......... Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2326 ) 日期：2013/04/13 01:36 留言者：一家言 　　有人提出：为什么不用大陆唱家对比香港唱家？我觉得这个提法很有建设性，但不知要怎么个比法？是比双方对粤曲知识的丰富，还是比谁会唱的曲目多，抑或是比谁的师傅名气大呢？甚或比谁更有钱出得骚多？其中的操作性如何界定，恐怕要论到这一层，比争辩什么是“韵味”更不容易说得清。 　　说实话，ＫＣ先生出骚的视频，在下看过而且也认真听过了，对此仁兄唱粤曲的水平和功力算是领教过了，如果我也算是“大陆腔”的唱者——注意，在下尚不敢自称“是”家“，不知此仁兄认为要怎么比法才能见出高低呢？比如，大家都拿着分别用工尺谱和简谱的新曲当场演唱进行ＰＫ？还是大家听着同一段梆黄唱段，看谁更快用工尺谱和简谱记录下来？还是比大家都听一首未听过的新曲，看谁更快学识唱？总之，这个问题真不是三言两语说得清。 　　此外，既然“用阿太请人陪唱论曲艺高低”是”摸错了门道“，那么我想问一声，你们是否每个星期都回广州听本地的唱家出骚唱曲？又或者每个星期都有几晚与广州的唱家在省内的私伙局操曲切磋？我想你们听”大陆腔“的机会，不外就是听那么几个到香港陪阿太出骚的花旦和文武生吗？如果不是，你们又是在什么时候和什么场合听省内的唱家唱你们所鄙夷的”大陆腔“的呢？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2327 ) 日期：2013/04/13 08:29 留言者：Kc 看來有人老羞成怒了！開始人身攻擊了！ 不知你講的kc先生是不是小弟呢？領教過小弟的功夫？ 你冇嘢瓦？同你比？唔該！ 先搞清楚自已想表達什麼先啦！ 同小弟比？想說明些什麼先？ 呢度係講道理的地方！係講！唔係比！

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