粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.712 ) 日期：2012/12/17 15:37 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： 您讲个只应该叫做默曲，唔叫背曲。背也者，人物、板腔、曲情、曲词皆了然於胸，出骚时自然而出，如泉之冒也。以下几种情况皆不宜背曲1.基功未稳2.不懂度腔3.多年持曲积习4.曲未烂熟5.无做手身段关目6.记性差7.甩曲必乱8.周周新曲月月骚。背曲有风险而无保险可买，不过有水平的观众不会因为一两个字的甩漏而取笑唱者。 总之，不能或不曾背曲却不容敌视其存在价值。必曾为鱼，方知鱼之苦与乐也。终身只登见太平山不是问题，但要承认比它高的名山很多，风景亦更美。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.713 ) 日期：2012/12/17 15:58 留言者：Kc 補番句飛先！ 此例只作說明持不持曲，背不背曲用！ 並非批評當事人唱功也！ 平情而論，當事人也算唱得唔差了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.714 ) 日期：2012/12/17 16:04 留言者：Kc 根本無人會因自已做唔倒，或者唔想做去攻擊D拋曲的曲友！更冇人會阻止人去作個人藝術上的突破！ Kc只不過經多年的睇騷經驗同看過評論家對持曲的看法，作一比較而己！ Kc更從來冇聽過有人因歌者拋不拋曲去買飛者也！ 根本上能符合閣下以上各條件的朋友，拋曲正宜矣！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.715 ) 日期：2012/12/17 17:05 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： 小弟有听过背曲无用论，而言者不只一人，其中包括某位知名唱家。他们有一点相同，就是从来未试过背曲出骚。 买飞时无人会确实知道唱者背不背曲，大约的预计是有的。新凡风的顾虑是他个人问题。他初出骚时那几年是持曲的，後来才改。粤曲筹款，萤屏所见：任姐是读曲的，唱首本曲亦如是；新马多背曲。小弟比较喜欢後者的方式，觉得祥哥望实我，想我捐钱。四功五法，持曲基本上把五法的身、法、手、眼、步废了大步份。四功中保存了唱与念，做亦削弱了（一般不打）。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.716 ) 日期：2012/12/18 00:17 留言者：Kc 剛剛才從高山聽完歌回來，有持曲，又有不持曲！ 其實持不持曲，只是齋唱呢班大哥大姐的顧慮！在演藝的世界根本不存在持不持曲的考慮，因為演藝冇可能持曲玩也！ 所以持不持曲，只是一班齋唱的朋友的考慮而已，而且是現今出騷見人才須要考慮的！ 試想有人錄Cd宣傳歌者乃拋曲而錄！有何益處？ 其實老倌持曲唱，新馬亦可在youtube搵倒佢持曲而唱的片段！ Kc見什麼四洲杯比賽，大陸果邊似乎已無人持曲了！ 所以考慮持不持曲，只是有冇需要，同有冇時間的問題！而不是騷能力的問題！ 更不是攀什麼高山的問題！ 正如一個粵劇團會考慮究竟應不應兼教英語呢？但在一個英語粵劇團來說，不說英語，說什麼呢？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.717 ) 日期：2012/12/18 03:11 留言者：TL 舊時在大陸（六、七十年代）從未見過有人在舞台上持曲的，第一次見到持曲唱，不可思議。現在習慣了也。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.718 ) 日期：2012/12/18 04:57 留言者：翠翠 有一次跟一位不太相熟的曲友討論演出者是否拋曲的話題， 她說拋曲好利害及好威， 她沒有演出的原因就是不能拋曲， 她講來講去 都是以拋曲為主， 不知是演唱還是演拋曲， 哈哈哈!! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.719 ) 日期：2012/12/18 17:13 留言者：Kc 可能持曲唱是香港騷塲的特色，因為這班齋玩唱的朋友，多上了年紀，又多是半途出家，全無基本功打底，離開了曲譜就唔知點唱了！ 而大老倌早期錄音，在電台籌欸唱，業餘齋唱，只需以聲，腔，見人，持曲乃一大方便，因無必要拋曲也！ 時至今日，大老倌同另一邊業餘出新曲，一次過貨仔，鬼得閒同你做功課，台上見，不持曲，根本冇可能唱！此乃現實之安排！ 反而業餘唱口，得閒到死！自以為是，自我攀崖，以作個人挑戰！拋曲大番專業果邊！此乃部份出騷人的心態！ 更有學生拋曲，老師不拋，因老師要搵食，衰咗點算？非不能也，是不為也！ 發展下來，竟有人綵唱，竟有持曲走來走去，唱唱下又揭唱睇下，好似小學鷄玩唱遊的怪現象！發展下來一邊持，一邊拋都有！怪鷄之極！ 正是聲色藝乃演藝的要求，但香港騷塲，玩到只玩一單元都得！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.720 ) 日期：2012/12/18 10:08 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄: 您讲到一个令小弟揪心的问题，即骚坛(以别於曲坛)太多鱼目混珠，且以此为常态。有一点兄已指出，无功底者不敢抛曲，不管熟不熟曲。无左扶手棍，盲公点敢过马路？ 不过百步之内岂无芳草？小弟前几天看了凌安僖老师的免费师生骚：有唱有做、全背曲、宁舍生猛。粤剧演员而背曲的，香港有邓有银、谢国璋等；省内大部分文武生与花旦。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.721 ) 日期：2012/12/18 10:21 留言者：辛奇士 愚见：从观众欣赏的角度看，持不持曲是有分别的。到位的表演艺术不应局限於腔与声的传递，与台下交流亦甚重要。只要合乎五功四法的，都可适当地采用。台上那个芸娘虽是肝肠寸断，但她只是对曲本哭诉，叫台下的我如何感动？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.722 ) 日期：2012/12/18 10:33 留言者：Kc 粵劇演員拋曲演出，根本是基本功！閒過立秋！ 正如讚人台上不數板而歌一樣，什麼心板！簡直白痴！有人將練習的功夫，帶上舞台，此乃學習過程的一部份！不是用來表演的 正如持曲而歌亦然！操曲，錄音，練習和學習的過程吧了！ 到了出騷，自然要考慮美感，聲色藝，做到觀眾有視聴之娛柴是！ 至於只取一單元玩，唔收錢！kc就接受過接受！ 甚至好心到奉勸世人，唔夠工夫，千萬勿虐己虐人也！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.723 ) 日期：2012/12/18 10:57 留言者：Kc 從觀眾的角度去睇騷，自然要求聲色藝俱全至好啦！ 誰願看人企定定，埋首曲譜，低吟淺唱呢？ 最好是一個大空翻出塲，走幾個大圓枱，亮相，什麼五功四法做足最好啦！ 唯獨是，kc周不是見出騷果位公公婆婆，行出泥都有小小困難！ 企定定，睇倒譜，有D聲同音樂唔好差距太大，都阿彌佗乎啦！ 仲想奢望？拋曲？你不如叫佢咪鬼玩好過啦！ 吹吹水！有怪莫怪！ 唔覺意踩親！算你唔好彩！不過就泥世界末日！ 睇開D啦！

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