粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1172 ) 日期：2013/01/19 06:08 留言者：小李 絕對同意辛兄對《胡笳十八拍》一曲的見解. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1173 ) 日期：2013/01/19 07:33 留言者：Hawaiian 如果把小說戲劇當作歷史看,真係蛇都死.很多年前看過一些文章,話正史關公係長劉備一歲,點解係關二哥?孔明同周瑜成世人只打個一次照面,何來三氣?陸游出戍西川時,偎紅倚翠吟詩作對幾咁風流,你唐婉咪為佢嘔血囉!呢啲嘢都唔知係真定假?有排抝.還有康熙身邊的韋小寶呢.總之凡是娛樂啲嘢不可當真,嘻嘻哈哈一場,明日醒來要對的是現實生活. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1174 ) 日期：2013/01/19 08:22 留言者：麥友成 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1175 ) 日期：2013/01/19 11:07 留言者：Kc KC細時，見街中師奶，晚上圍埋講戲！話任姐咁咁咁•••• 仙姐又咁咁咁••••劉克宣又衰到咁咁咁•••• 係佢地個世界，當咗戲中人物同現實生活冇乜分別！ 大談特談！十分快樂！總好過東家長，西家短！八八卦卦渡日！ 又好過一有小小政治氣味！引來蝗蟲自以為是！畫地為牢一番！ 娛樂閒聊，當以㱋樂心為目的！ 笑笑曲詞的不合理！亦應作如是觀！ 創作故事，唔通有人撞鬼，有人夢會，有人亂作，唔得乎？ 但硏究數學的朋友應知道！假設一定要合理！ 總不能假設一加一等於三！因人人皆知一加一等於二也！ 所以歷史人物也如是！ 張飛不能大戰尉遲恭！因為人人皆知不同年代也！ 此乃創作之潛守則也！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1176 ) 日期：2013/01/19 11:35 留言者：辛奇士 蔡文姬名琰，系东汉有名既文学家、音乐家。《後汉书》有她的传，并录有《悲愤诗》。民间流传疑她作的《胡笳十八拍》。历史上有其人、其事、其文；并没有很多创作空间。了解背景後，我地黎睇吓《绝唱胡笳十八拍》的离谱野： 1.策马长安---长安乃汉朝京城，岂可让胡人驰骋？最多系乔装偷入。仲要直入董府内堂？老公董祀同家人死晒去边？ 2.怀念左贤王---绝不可能。文姬因战乱被掳入匈奴。飧风饮雪，还被逼侍寝左贤王，十二年生两子。这对一个满腹经纶的弱女子是莫大的羞辱！她归汉後的作品是铁证。她对匈奴的怀念只有亲生两子而已。对左贤王只字未提。我们可以假没若不是深疼恶绝，至少是绝无感情的。归汉方是回家，回胡只是回贼巢延续悲惨生话而已。 3.胡王既收赎金放人，还有何理由去见被他凌辱十二年个条〝参〞？曲中两人还能哭相思，岂非天方夜谈？ 3.今夫董祀---职位是延尉。汉朝根本没有节度使！这是唐朝官职，安禄山便是。董祀与文姬感情本淡，董祀犯事曹操要杀他，文姬披发跣足去求曹操方得赦免。夫妻感情转好，生一女。文姬得享晚年。 4.後汉传---无此书，只有《後汉书》，撰者南朝宋范问晔。文姬实际从曹操请求，将她父亲蔡邕遗作文章四百余篇背诵出来，并无遗漏。蔡邕与曹操是老友。邕因附董卓被王允所杀。 5.曲文「十八拍兮曲难终」，难应是虽，见《绝唱胡笳十八拍》第十八拍。 此曲硬伤虽多，但仍热唱，奈何！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1177 ) 日期：2013/01/19 11:48 留言者：Hawaiian 辛兄: 睇開啲啦!唱歌啫. 如你聽革命歌曲,咪 有話: 一盲引眾盲,相牽入火坑. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1178 ) 日期：2013/01/19 12:43 留言者：辛奇士 Hawaiian兄： 小弟对唱无乜执着，只是撰曲这职业背负着不可推卸的社会教育责任。写历史曲既占了历史便宜(易入耳轨)仲要颠倒历史是说不过去的。粤剧界首重衣食，撰曲人亦在内。陈冠卿既《梦断香销四十年》亦有艺术创作，但不会如《绝唱胡笳十八拍》咁离谱。《三国演义》、《水浒传》有好多假野；但对历史梗概、典章文物仍是尊重的。众盲可叹，一盲可恶；因为一盲不是真盲，是知道在误导其他人的！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1179 ) 日期：2013/01/19 17:45 留言者：Kc 人有時會有各式各樣的執著的！ 大家只能互相尊重！ 戲曲有人當𨘋戲文章，但文字有人睇成經國大業！ 好難介定文藝可去到點才可接受！點就不能接受！ 正如絕唱一曲！不接受就只能咪鬼唱囉！ 但有人出騷，一樣投入到真的一樣！喊到亞媽都唔認得！ 而且胡王，應唱胡語才是！何以可以唱粵曲？仲唱綁王添？ 明乎此！大家條氣會順D啩？ 仲有曲中有兩句木魚用錯了同一平聲！不是一句上平！一句下平！ 唔啱句格！ 大把人鬧爆！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1180 ) 日期：2013/01/19 18:33 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： 语言不是问题。粤曲妙在系个大洪炉，乜鬼野都溶左你。拿，马师曾同凤凰女个支谐曲《斗气夫妻》，生旦都系西人一样掂。新凡风个唱同邓有银采唱呢支；两个人戴金啡色假发，新佬着美国海军军官服，老马腔。两个人仲不时加的英文及香港俗语，观众不知几受。确有惊喜。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1181 ) 日期：2013/01/19 18:40 留言者：寸草心 "同是天涯淪落人" : "姑娘真係对唔住咯" 厘句我硬係唱到毛管洞! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1182 ) 日期：2013/01/19 18:46 留言者：发烧友 看粤剧粤曲趣味话题一栏，看到众网友的讨论，这是大好事。关于粤剧粤曲创作中的是否允许虚构，虚构的度如何把握，这真是言人人殊。有人主张“戏”字半个虚，所以撰笔者有多大胆，便有多高产。两三天写一支曲，实在湿湿碎。最惨是这样写出来的曲，周街都在唱。比如刘邦杀韩信，有点常识的人，都不会相信是吕后约他共赴巫山，误饮了毒酒才遭毒手。如今爱唱粤曲的人，大都不喜欢读书，撰曲者真要将心比心，否则人家喜欢你写的曲，用真金白银去出骚，既操曲又要畀大利是老倌，到头来唱的是一支无厘头兼犯驳的烂曲，你这不是义气博儿戏吗？！做官要有为官之德，写曲也别粗制滥造，有时过了海也未必就是神仙，如何内地不少贪官，就因为当年一念之差，最后衰收尾，这正是天眼昭昭！寄语有能力录音出碟的唱家，要货比三家，唱什么曲，请人写什么题材，要独具只眼。惟其如此，那些天方夜谭的赝品便难再招摇过市，或者大家的鉴赏能力都提高了，李逵便不再为李鬼“争食”烦恼了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1183 ) 日期：2013/01/19 18:48 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： B哥既谈情口白真系罗命！个支《梦会太湖》：夷光、夷光同《幽会小周后》：嘉敏发晒老姣咁(无办法佢把声真系老）搅到小弟毛管全部宣告独立！ 众曲友，唔好收油呀！希望一条龙冲破三万点击大关至恭喜发财。然後再金蛇狂舞，破四万指日可待也！

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