粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2072 ) 日期：2013/03/25 09:03 留言者：辛奇士 小李曲友： 小弟对粤曲韵味这回事是这样看的：任何艺术欣赏，入门基础是共通的，然後是个人的。然而，艺赏的基础是需要培养的、训练的。坊间的曲书多是说唱曲，很少说赏曲；两者有同亦有异。既缺乏权威文献，便只能以名家所言为准矣。可惜名家都是口传身受，也就是师父教落，即凭经验感觉去判断，并且要保卫这判断，因为识唱唔识赏是没有面子的。如此则应共通的基础亦人言人殊了。小弟希望大家可以放下尊严，求同存异，将韵味基础头绪理出来，便功德无量矣！ 什么是共通的？譬如说1.粤曲是广东人听的，它要符合白话的语言声调。2.粤曲有程式，有约定俗成的润腔技巧。3.唱与奏，也就是人声与乐器的配合。4.粤曲唱腔传统强，自上世纪二三十年代唱腔革命後没有大的变化，但小变不新在发生。积小变为大变，我地在抗拒大陆推崇美声的同时亦需自省。举例，您所喜欢的几位大陆喉子喉都带美声(小弟的定义)的，我地应该如何去理解美声与韵味的关系呢？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2073 ) 日期：2013/03/25 08:50 留言者：Kc 早晨！早晨！又新的一天！ 五三五四在望！端午也不遠了！ 唱曲唱到有韻味！是很多歌者的夢想！ 聽歌聽得出韻味，更是如人飲水，冷暖自知！ 講俾人聽，乜嘢叫韻味，亦有若談禪論道！ 一如談智慧，論開竅一樣！ 可意會！難言傳！ 大道理！大智慧之論！ 不開竅，好易引發爭論！因為大惑者就會終生迷也！ 盲人摸白象！近矣！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2074 ) 日期：2013/03/25 10:39 留言者：老三 呵呵，小李原來是唱子喉的，看你上述所言，其實你對"韻味"也有不淺的理解了。只是想摸到技術上掌握唱出"韻味"這度門呵，其實這也是萬千唱曲人的向往呵。 老三的謬論是：既然有技術技巧型，也就是說；誰掌握這唱出"韻味"的技術，誰就能唱出"韻味"！在一眾頂尖的子喉中，老三認為技術技巧性最強的(亦即是沒怎靠先天優勢)，是嚴淑芳和李寶瑩。而這兩位，均出自發燒唱曲一族，而非正宗紅船之人(李寶瑩後來才唱而優則演)。這也說明，唱曲的技術技巧上，紅船弟子要把重點分放到表演上，在唱曲上是下風於純唱曲的人。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2075 ) 日期：2013/03/25 11:26 留言者：辛奇士 三哥： 兄言甚是！时不时睇见曲骚业余(畀介)唱赢专业(受介)。难怪一些八和、演艺、乃至国内粤剧学校的毕业生唱工并不怎样。虾！你话有无人请佢地出曲骚系基于以下原因既呢？1.有朵，点计都系专业，出自名门。2.青春，拍埋去自己都後生的。3.有心，有机会表演唔会点计利是，仲落足力。4.有礼，肯操曲，点都会大枝野话台上见。5.有威，曲龄肯定长过佢。有人问起话提携後辈。曲目唔使讲梗系我拣既喇。6.戥秤，就算赢唔到，都唔会畀对手抛得远。 如有雷同，纯属吹水！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2076 ) 日期：2013/03/25 12:12 留言者：估估下 专业？不练习等于无。业余~~天天唱天天学新曲，聚集各路发烧友互相切磋，这就是专业中之最专业！ 粤曲味先天的说话方式，后天的语言发声。例如，佛山顺德一带的乡音与粤曲的发口非常岩合尺。因此有称佛山顺德人开声多有粤曲味。俩公婆吵架吵天光邻居以为他们唱粤曲唱天光,非常柔耳. 个人之见，李X莹后期唱法已偏时代曲之味，开高无低廻。她仿芳腔型似而神不似。细听有吵耳感。不及芳腔的娓娓之音。越听越柔。说表表者不敢苟同。国内，林少群有味有个人风格尚算合理。如果要细听分析,她的妹妹林锦屏优胜...苏春梅有先天的韵味再加后天的美声优点更显风味。其它...呵呵. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2077 ) 日期：2013/03/25 13:15 留言者：辛奇士 估估吓兄： 兄台另有见地，何不多作回帖？ 愚见：崔妙芝芳腔确比李宝莹柔润，高音区更阔，两个小弟都钟意。林小群参照了妹腔，与其他大陆花旦有异。可惜她的美声稍重了一些(当年个个都要学美声)。与兄意见不一样的是林锦屏是林小群腔底却加了硬，动听度不如乃姐。苏春梅唱工是当扎花旦(包省港澳)中的表表者。她是红腔沟芳腔加美声，份量分配好所以特别动听。新凡风识佢二十年，好欣赏，赞话「万子千红赏一梅」，尊为「红梅」腔。 顺德话有跌宕惑，出名腔最多：千里驹、薛觉先、白驹荣、马师曾、新马师曾、李海泉、冯镜华、白雪仙都系。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2078 ) 日期：2013/03/25 13:06 留言者：一家言 　　唱粤曲何谓“有味”？这个真是个不大容易说得清楚的专业问题，因为它不像体育竞赛，谁胜谁败或谁快谁慢一目了然。有谓“味道”，是看不到、摸不着的东西，光用语言来讲解和分析，未入门者确实很难体会得到。不妨换一个方式来谈，同一首粤曲，比如陈笑风和郑少秋都出过《山伯临终》的ＣＤ，陈笑风的演唱就很有韵味，郑少秋唱的就根本是唱没有粤曲意味的“粤歌”。为什么会这样？原来唱粤曲不光是唱出每个字（词）的音乐旋律，还得讲究唱每个字（词）时的发口，即唱者在唱或说出这个字（词）时唇、舌、腭、喉和共鸣器官的一系列细微的生理活动。就说咬字，唱粤曲讲究“归韵”，说出任何一个字都要唱者注意字头、字腹、字尾，笔者相信光是什么叫“归韵”？怎样吐字才算“归韵”？就不是现时每个教人唱粤曲的人都清楚和能够示范。这方面的技巧，光用文字是无法表述的，要当面示范学唱者才能领悟和模仿。 　　在下唱粤曲也有些日子了，听粤曲和看戏的时间就更长了，最早对何谓粤曲的韵味也是不得要领，后来经行内人提点，更听过一些前辈讲解示范咬字的“归韵”，再自己多加留心和慢慢揣摩，才明白味道是什么一回事。当然，多听行内公认唱曲有味道的名家演唱，时间长了，也会体味得到什么是味道。或者不妨从这些方面留意，名家在演唱时咬字的强弱对比、行腔的速度和声音的收放，高低音的处理和发声技巧，情绪的驾驭和表达，等等，这些都是构成“味道”的其中因素之一。 有人无声，但唱起来鬼甘好听，有人鬼甘好声，但唱起来鬼甘难听，说穿了就在于他（她）演唱时是否有“味道”，在粤剧曲艺行内，有很多这方面正面和反面的例子。当然，也有人好声，演唱时也很有味道的，但这方面的人为数不多。因为上天是公平的，不可能所有的的优点都集中在你一个人身上。如李××，很多人都说她唱曲好听兼且有味道，许多文武生都和她录过不少粤曲CD，但她在表演方面的造诣就远逊于她的演唱水平，这些老倌行内谓之“跛脚画眉”——会唱唔会做。话说得尖酸些，但却是实情。作为业余的曲友，因为不需要在台上表演，通过自己的多年努力，若能成为“跛脚画眉”也很威水的了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2079 ) 日期：2013/03/25 13:46 留言者：辛奇士 一家言先生： 很高兴适当时候您又"浮(读浦)头〞了。曲艺水准的提高，唱之外，欣赏是更重要的,没有买就没有卖。羊牯奉名气，从来如此。名腔各异但皆有味道，可推断异之外必有同。我们若能找出共通之处，对听与唱的提高均是大有裨益的。唱讲基本功，听亦然；但两者不是直通车。 跛脚画眉唔失礼，跛脚鹦鹉亦可以。最罗命系跛脚鸟鸦充全能凤凰。为罗靓场夹硬整一两出折子戏，揾师傅执几个钟就搏懵上阵。台上一分钟，台下十年功。行出台已经脚步浮浮饮醉酒，一开口仲惊天动地。真系即晚发恶梦架阴功！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2080 ) 日期：2013/03/25 13:55 留言者：小李 一家言兄所言甚是。謝謝賜教。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2081 ) 日期：2013/03/25 21:35 留言者：老三 不怕被說是認叻或另有目的，老三自認是的確明白和掌握了如何唱曲有韻味的方法了(男平喉)。雖然自學粵曲才九年，距離爐火純青尚有很大距離，但已樂意與大家分享，以報學自網上，回報網上，學自阿立網，回報阿立網的心意。稍後會繼續談下去有關唱曲韻味和技術上的問題的。下面是老三過年前在廣州出騷的視頻(好象近來港澳美加已经可以再看到土豆網的視頻了)。 KC兄，辛兄講得對，大把靚女們出騷時的冠發是用假發，老三這次出騷，也人生第一次用上了才七十塊錢的真發質的假發呵，哈哈...，口啤還不錯呀！ http://www.tudou.com/programs/view/_w9EgVc1tck/?resourceId=19778030_06_02_99 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2082 ) 日期：2013/03/25 21:53 留言者：寸草心 呢边講蜜味,果边又講乜味......又講D趣味... 果边講到先天,後天........講到風味! 我留意到陳X風多喜唱 "腊糯" 曲(慢也)........"腊"味亦風味!...... 想像曲詞: "救火呀!" 都會以 "乙反長花" 黎演绎! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2083 ) 日期：2013/03/25 22:05 留言者：寸草心 三兄,你个 "口啤還不錯呀！",係講个假髮定出騷呀!

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