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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）
日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.507 )
日期：2012/12/03 06:16
留言者：Kc

(表情7) (表情7) (表情7)琴睌睇咗汪明荃的特輯，其中提到德蘭與慈禧是其粵劇代表作。
Kc看過此劇，同最近睇的一套丁凡蔣文端的觀音一樣，此類新作，只能是一套唱粵曲的話劇！

但粵劇傳統身段做手，己減到最少！

Kc倒也不抗拒，不知有冇其他意見呢？

(沉思) (沉思) (沉思)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.508 )
日期：2012/12/07 11:57
留言者：諾基亞

其實古腔除了二王慢板，一般梆子類，二王流水等等是比現今的粵曲的配搭來得明快。但二王慢板之功用，乃舞台上一人自思想時用，不是用於對答或交代劇情也，故而字少腔多，容易表現其悶悶不樂或優遊寫意。從前的功用，實有如今日我們謂之「獨唱主題曲」，腔要撚得多，板又過得好長，若唱得不好，或的詞填得鎖碎，則悶到嘔飯。此情況有如地水南音，從前有一些十六板南音，在鍾德或杜煥的唱片時可聽到，唱兩個字過一個好長既門，再唱兩個字，現在這些唱法已經淘汰，全以八板南音代之，即如二王，大紋大路者，只有八字句二王。

一般的梆子，二王係可以唱到飛快，快撞點七字中板雖在武場中還常可聽到(其實現今也越來越少出現)如：「身披甲胄返家園，岳丈不仁施暗箭」此類，但聽過馮鏡華唱六郎罪子，與穆桂英的一段對話，用十字快中板唱「罵一聲，穆桂英，真真膽大，敢在我，宋營中，嘴利喳喳，倘不念，進寶來，功勞浩大，定要與，楊宗保，一同斬殺」這唱法，現今已不再聽到。就算係十字慢板，亦可唱到飛快，用於心急想解釋，但內容又長篇又複雜時用，或要陳述觀眾已知的事情。非常有趣的。如「我就是，何文秀，聽我講來，家住在，金華府，東門之外，自幼兒，我雙親，命喪陰台」之類。要唱到連還放箭，箭箭中的咁先係好野。

此快唱法，於劇情之緊要高峰處用之，可謂畫龍點晴，相得益彰。有一段時期的粵曲，劇情去到走難時，用快二王，即夜走寒溪(即現今之月下追賢，但其實這是兩支曲來，月下追賢主角是蕭何，用老生喉唱)韓信所唱者，亦唱到飛快，現在亦不見此用法。

快唱係好難唱，個板路須容易捉，但板雖快而聲音又要清楚，不能鬼食泥，這就是練習說白和氣度的功夫，妙生唱快撞點好係好，但有時，唱多了久了，氣已秏，語音開始模糊，時有虎頭蛇尾之歎。

不說極慢與極快，就論中速的七字中板，你莫看少這七字中板，就如靚榮唱：「李克用撩袍下金階，憶惜當年鴉舘樓，兩班文武賀千秋，內有文埜段國舅，他笑孤家貌不周」。穩如泰山，氣勢磅礡，後來靚次伯亦是唱七字中板能手，但厚度比靚榮差了少許。

現今粵曲，絕大部份係情歌，是故可以小曲代之，而且小曲在作曲時已有定下情感，如禪院鍾聲，雙星恨等乙反曲調，已定了悲情的格局，若我要寫一支情歌，以禪院鍾聲做膽，配個詩白，幾句八字二王，再用滾花收，已非常完整。又容易唱，支曲好唔好聽，全仗支小曲好唔好，小曲要是好聽，雖唱口差點亦聽得落，若用二王慢板做膽，則難唱極矣，而且音樂師傅又難玩，而此從繁到簡的發展，可見粵曲的藝術實在退步了。

kc老兄的題目係趣味話題，則吾亂發翕風亦不至踩界，然哉？古腔雖然係已經入左博物館的古董，但睇睇下，裏面的設計，形象，功能其實唔係過時或無用，而只係給人遺忘了，再重新拎出黎，翻新一下，其實還很有活力和新鮮感。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.509 )
日期：2012/12/03 11:20
留言者：Kc

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)手機兄：閣下絕非發噏風！很有料！佩服！佩服！

很有趣！很有趣！

目下能道出古腔妙處，真係難得一見！

亦難得閣下不吝賜教！

隨便發表可也！自有知音！ (表情33) (表情33) (表情33)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.510 )
日期：2012/12/03 11:41
留言者：辛奇士

寸草心兄：

何非凡最红时，其他老倌同佢与无得挥。凡腔唱到开巷，最劲既梗系《情僧偷到潇湘馆》同《碧海狂僧》呢两枝主题曲啦！风气所及，习凡腔者亦多。出名的有黎文所、梁金国同廖非凡(移民英国後改名廖英凡)。这三位已退出曲坛多时(梁与廖已逝世)。後继者水准未及且亦垂垂老矣。凡腔之难，在於1.自然声音域广阔，一般平喉没有 2.跌宕跳跃性大 3.带脂粉味；学难好更难。老倌中黄伟坤条件较好，但他没有用心去学。

Kc兄：

您所说的其实是话剧加布景加舞美加粤曲插唱。将之与年前雏凤鸣献演的唐涤生名剧便知分别。愚见：丢弃了传统而赢得暂时的新鲜感与票房，是换了心脏的华丽包装。当新鲜感过後，钟意戏曲与话剧的观众都将抛弃这四不像。前例便是几年前广州市团搅的所谓新编粤剧《花月影》。对於为了生活而去演这类戏的业界我们不能怪他们，艺术工作者亦要吃饭。只是若长期这样干下去他们便是传统粤剧的掘墓者了。 (表情25) (表情20)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.511 )
日期：2012/12/03 12:05
留言者：kc

(表情7) (表情7) (表情7)
辛兄: 粵劇要與時並進, 改良是難免的了！

正如近來已約改好3 至3個半鐘了！

內容加舞, 以往亦經常用！

加上燈光, 投影, 新科技, 也能極視聽之娛的！

只要賣倒飛！就是好！ (表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.512 )
日期：2012/12/03 13:55
留言者：tt

以前睇大戲,老倌亮相,踩正身形,企定定慢慢郁身落水袖,哂靴,

去年看李龍亞嗲,李龍好自然咁就行了出來,快咗好多,但又少了

一些身段,時間所限啩,有得必有失,少了一些舞台功架,但節奏又快了,時代進步,未嘗不可,而家d人好易唔耐煩.


(微笑)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.513 )
日期：2012/12/03 14:16
留言者：辛奇士

Kc兄：

粤剧改良无问题，加快节奏更是应该的。从前薛觉先等引入脱手、立体布景、西乐丰富了粤剧演绎，但没有脱离戏曲精神，谁曰不宜？但若撤去罗古与及戏曲程式，就是抽去粤剧的传统主心骨，就是否定了粤剧「非遗」的核心价值，再也不能称之为粤剧了。小弟之忧在於此也。 (表情21)

粤剧浓缩了，粤曲却加长了。从前唱腔曲大部分不超廿五分钟，而家无半个钟叫做无野唱。咁进步系边呢？ (沉思)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.514 )
日期：2012/12/03 14:56
留言者：kc

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)而家D新劇, 似話劇多！

唱依然係粵曲！但以德籣與慈禧係清整！同明裝明顯較現代了！

觀音果套, 有荷花舞！千手觀音舞！好煞食！

改良了, 有人捧場就是好！

據聞有人搞番D舊嘢！

又睇吓點？ (表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.515 )
日期：2012/12/03 21:20
留言者：寸草心

辛兄講凡腔,好精辟,真難學,如任腔,D男平喉,一個唔覺意就太嗲! 凡腔也可高可低,但去高無新馬之鋒利,較圓腻.
手机前輩对古腔唱法,演繹有心得!請繼續尽情講述,公諸後學,唔好徙! (表情35) (表情35) (表情35)
粤戲始終都要演变(我对革新有敏感!), 覺得自薛觉先到唐滌生/仙姐等都注入新原素;初看仙鳳戲,覺得已現代化:
很精簡濃縮;揚棄插科打混;每戲多有主題曲;重視剧情貫串銜接等.... 已带出一個成功模式為發展參照. (表情6)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.516 )
日期：2012/12/03 21:47
留言者：辛奇士

寸草心兄：

小弟边知凡腔咁多野？都系同新凡风罗料既o者。三腔之中，小弟认为新佬既声线最岩唱凡腔，趁而家缺人易上位。但系条友心多，唔肯专练凡腔。

雏凤其实系龙剑笙担飞，青出于蓝。但系佢都六到敏，後继无人。戏曲关键系老倌，其他都系枝叶。 (表情25)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.517 )
日期：2012/12/03 22:24
留言者：寸草心

辛士兄:同意,試看舊時仙鳳班底: 唐,任,白,波,靚,歐陽劍?陳錦棠?等老倌担戲.....加上頂尖级棚面師傅; 也加上幕後
一些有份量,資深之戲曲,文化界人士參与方能有成罷! (表情35)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.518 )
日期：2012/12/03 22:36
留言者：寸草心

辛士兄:你有所不知嘞,断古新凡風先生有難处: 凡腔係度身造!佢出名几首都以独唱居多! E家冇咁既大戲后咯! (表情25)

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