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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）
日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1736 )
日期：2013/02/23 01:04
留言者：寸草心

唔啦更!........呢度傾粤曲假馬!? (表情42) (表情42) (表情42)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1737 )
日期：2013/02/23 01:54
留言者：辛奇士

粤曲是：

小家碧玉
随意变化
小桥流水
低吟浅酌
广东特色
唱口主角

交响乐是：

贵族公主
跟足乐谱
断崖飞瀑
豪情鲸饮
中西撮合
指挥主角

两者无论从体裁上、气质上都是不匹配的。强行嫁接，只会吃力不讨好。之所以发生，长官意志而矣；也就是外行领寻内行的结果。可局部配合者唯武场曲，如《夜战马超》、《五郎救弟》、《百万军中赵子龙》等。即便选择性交响化可行，粤曲特有的即兴发挥却没有了。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1738 )
日期：2013/02/23 02:37
留言者：Peter

將交響樂加入粵劇 我識為 任白的“李後主” 己開始試用。 其後 我也聽過 羅家英 李寶瑩 唱過。 不很成功. 我也與各位同感 是吃力不討好, 為什麼現時大陸又走這條路,奇怪! 。 但認為 西樂有很多東西是可以引入粵曲 如西樂的 Harmony, 是一種非常好的音樂理論, 如何去用這“工具“呢 我想 要多些嘗試 才可走出一條新路。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1739 )
日期：2013/02/23 09:34
留言者：辛奇士

势如破竹，轻松冲破四万关，想整番几句黎庆贺吓。忽然谂起细时学过《王昭曲》末段既简谱，至今仍记忆清晰：40342 40342 434243 43420 024 43420 333424024 334 024 3433 3433 3324 3430 3430 044022 (拖慢) 4 3 2 4 3 3 4 3 0

不少曲友音准不佳，是缺乏了"唱工尺"既训练，一开波便唱曲。如果您既导师教曲先唱工尺再唱字，咁恭喜您喇，呢个真系明师黎！就算堂上唔教，返屋企自己都要练吓。潜移默化，唔只音准有进步，对度腔亦有帮助。成功的量度，就系听腔後可以准确地将工尺译番出黎。马步唔稳，洪拳点会打得好呀？

讲番粤曲交响化：从前买过一只碟，系陈笑风同广州民乐团合作唱《山伯临终》，真系罗命！唔只听唔清的字，凄凉意境亦荡然无存！真系不可卒听。它的归宿就系垃圾桶！一如美声、英语；交响化与粤曲传统特色是有理论上与执行上矛盾的。说句晦气话，美声、英语、交响的极致化就是挖粤曲的祖坟，革粤曲的命！必须声明，小弟是喜欢听纯美声、英语歌曲、交响乐的。但将它们与粤曲强行嫁接，犹如绿豆煲狗肉，一食就中毒！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1740 )
日期：2013/02/23 12:38
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)果隻蔡衍棻作的満江紅失敗的原因係想用流行曲形式去講一個粵曲的故事！

因用了交響樂伴奏，所以綁王就唔啱駛！

為了講故仔，就冇咗旋律的美！

一隻又冇怒髮衝冠••••••

又冇抬望眼••••••

又冇三十功名••••••

又冇八千里路••••••

只得朝天闕！

完全冇晒岳飛滿江紅的味道！

梁玉嶸點努力都死啦！

如果呢隻歌會流行，就亞奇生亞奇了！ (表情19) (表情19) (表情19)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1741 )
日期：2013/02/23 14:24
留言者：哈哈

(歡笑) (好!) (好!) (歡笑)哈哈、、、辛奇士兄你好、 (表情16)小弟同感”—句”40342.40342.43…………嘩嘩、、再不是行屍、、如中毒呀了。
靈魂、人胜、飬知、感情、都返来、、、、、返来、、、舊本土味要返来呀!!!太好呀!

謝謝你呀!
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1742 )
日期：2013/02/23 18:26
留言者：寸草心

真拗头! (表情24)
北上攵藝專業,長期热衷為粤劇搞改,編,導;民樂,管弦,交响爭相伴奏粤曲!
全國兄弟劇種甚多,為何不停咁向粤劇埋手搞革命!
個中定有原因既!
应是自豪抑自愧!? (表情42) (表情42) (表情42)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1743 )
日期：2013/02/23 19:05
留言者：寸草心

辛兄,我听过一段咁既野,估下乜,幾应節嫁:
43420.024.3324334.3324334.3434.0.024.402.03.0303.42.43.43.4343.334.3.434.0.024.24205.330.2433535............ (表情34)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1744 )
日期：2013/02/23 23:42
留言者：Peter

想問下各位高手 “新霸王別姬“ 開頭一段音樂 及 個旦唱 ”塞上曲” 算唔算是 交響樂呢? 個生開始唱 首版 有大鑼大古開頭 一定是傳統。這,我知

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1745 )
日期：2013/02/24 08:36
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)早晨！早晨！

通常小曲用交響樂伴奏，應該冇問題！

但綁王因要追腔！所以不宜用交響樂團！一定要用,就要連腔都譜死至得！

新霸的小曲，當然可用交響樂伴啦！小曲冇問題吖馬！ (表情33) (表情33) (表情33)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1746 )
日期：2013/02/24 10:12
留言者：辛奇士

各位：

愚见：交响乐的定义，是三十乐师以上，有齐中、高、低音乐器。若以大陆的豪华配制，更是中西乐全备，跟足谱，有指挥。换言之，奏是主角，唱是配角。这与粤曲以唱为主是有矛盾的。若只加几件西乐来奏小曲不算交响化，好多年前歌坛精神音乐已有。

寸草心兄：

小弟耳拙，听唔出您写的简谱是什么歌，请开古。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1747 )
日期：2013/02/24 17:58
留言者：to to

(微笑) (表情11) (表情35) (表情35)禺妹有共鳴、、旧香港土味 (表情13)是回味
旧大陸土味 (表情12)是行屍味。。。太可怕 (表情42) (表情42) (表情42) (表情42)

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