粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.904 ) 日期：2012/12/31 06:10 留言者：Hawaiian 鴦鴦炒飯,福建炒飯,水晶炒飯,楊州炒飯,生炒牛肉飯……來來去去脫不了飯.任你如何翻新,也是炒飯.點解唔何以粥粉麵呢?還是要炒,放湯都得啩!可能炒飯容易啦. 在很多很多年前,腦海曾出現過一個想法.希望有人撰一曲被麥炳榮唱就好咯,內容係乜呢?曲名叫”陳毅歸天”.陳毅,共和國開國元帥,是一名儒將.擅詩詞,國共內戰任三野司令,立下赫赫戰功,後任外交部長.性耿直,曾有”寧要原子,不穿褲子”一言聞名於世.文革時與林彪鬥,被稱”二月逆流”而受迫害,後林彪敗亡喪身異域.一年後陳毅病逝,是少數毛皇帝肯竟去參加追悼會的人之一.終其一生,足以寫一首內容十分豐富的曲.其實文人方面亦有好多人物,如魯迅,胡適…..等,才子佳人有郁達夫與王映霞,徐志摩….等.甚至可以整首”葛柏自嘆”,裡面加一段英文歌都得. 信手拈來好多近代人物故事可入曲,唔知點解炒來炒去都係一些古人舊事,有些搞到又長又沉悶,唔通寫近代的多顧忌? #903 小李: 又係講董小宛的故事. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.905 ) 日期：2012/12/31 07:41 留言者：TL 將近現代人物入曲有一道坎比較難過，就是傳統詞曲習慣用語與現代人物情景如何融合的問題。 當然已經有很多嘗試，一些現代劇（曲）目也的確取得某種程度的成功，比如《六號門》。但要放到大眾化的演唱會中或者在曲社中流行，尤其是要在香港地區流行，我看還是存在着很大的難度。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.906 ) 日期：2012/12/31 21:36 留言者：Kc 呵呵！各位早晨，看過回䨱，居然去到九百，破了此網回䨱最高紀錄！ 不知到了四位數字, 還可不可以顕示？ 其實溜覽仲有個 "李向榮" 二萬二關要過！要努力才可做二哥！ 小李：泣血一曲講董小宛就瓜！冒辟彊趕返水繪園送終的故事！是深圳一曲社頭架師傅李德甫，同一位閨秀唱家杜可雲的傑作！近期紅透騷塲！ 此曲格局似足沈三白與雲娘！好似係陳錦榮作品也！ 近期陳錦榮頗多新曲，古渡離愁（估倒你愁）秋月照離人(花王之女的故事）魂夢會漢皇，天仙配之重逢，多曲登上”現代戲曲”的粵曲流行龍虎榜！ 全部土豆網有得聽！ 講番D曲詞，古仔，經過文革，大陸的編劇吃䀆苦頭！敢鬼搞時人時事咩？ 都係寫古人穩陣D矣！ 方文正寫咗隻花迷蝶醉，一樣有D師奶曲友，扮晒純情！不能接受！俾佢地吹漲！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.907 ) 日期：2012/12/31 08:53 留言者：TL 蘇曼殊一佛門中人，以幾篇淒艷欲絕的文言言情小說傳世，更留下百數十首詩作及譯著，盡皆纏綿悱惻者。加上其人傳奇身世，自是編曲的大好題材。 記得廿年前陳少風一首曲子，一句“恨不相逢未剃時”，唱帶說明中大加贊賞，說撰曲者從古人詩句中奪胎換骨，如何高明云云。殊不知這句詩本就出自蘇曼殊。編說明者無知，撰曲者何以又坦然受落耶？ 講到能入曲的人物，廣東還有個招子庸。以其人事蹟無論編劇撰曲，當可闢出一番天地。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.908 ) 日期：2012/12/31 09:37 留言者：辛奇士 小弟同意粤剧粤曲不是严肃文学，是下里巴人。戏曲中只有昆与京是阳春白雪，皆因它们曾得皇家、贵族、有钱人(统称上流社会)的喜爱，於是他们养的一班幕僚、食客、戏子便绞尽脑汁来创作能登大雅之堂的作品。粤曲虽粗，但它的曲中人多是帝相后妃、才子佳人、英雄美女(无呢的角色师奶唔钟意唱因为代入无快感)，所以他们的背景、谈吐、唱词应该有文学性与历史性。(谐曲如《光棍姻缘》、《花放夜来香》呢的讲小人物既梗系要俗啦) 奈何大师已去，而家撰曲集中於十个八个人来应付大量新曲的市场需要。他们或因应接不暇而交行货、垃圾货；或因料唔够而交搏懵货、老鼠货(将名曲改头换面当自己既作品)，企理作品十不得一二。最惨市场钟意熟悉历史传奇人物，於是好多环绕李後主与小周、梁祝、陆游与唐婉、霸王与虞姬既老套故仔产生。写到无得写便乱写，一於借梦会、魂会之名来行无稽之实。戏曲应有社会教育性？话之佢啦，反正追新买碟族并不重视这些。 不论现代或古代，中国领导人都很重视传承的正统性。修史的都是新朝说旧朝，亦必扬新抑旧。史官亦是人，谁不怕掉脑袋？如果司马迁不是受腐刑而衔恨汉室，相信他未必敢将项羽放入《本纪》并花了大量篇幅来描述他的英雄事迹；其目的就是曲笔贬刘。戏曲不写当朝政治人物是可以理解的，但还有不少人与事可以写，曲迷会有亲切感。为何很少发生？WHY？ 粤曲现已进入香港中小学音乐课程，这是很好的培养唱与听接班人的传承工程，惜师资与资料均不足。闻叶绍德写了几首校园粤曲，数量太少。小弟每逢见到小朋友唱那些天崩地裂、死生情深的成年人粤曲便不是味道！应该有的童真、童趣那里去了？政府、学校、家长与菊部中人是否应该做点事？ 忽然心情有些沉重，只此一次，以後多吹开心事便是。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.909 ) 日期：2012/12/31 10:23 留言者：辛奇士 回894帖 一栗曲友： 《黑海归帆》未听过。《稻草人》同《钓鱼郎》都系唐涤生既作品。唐哥好犀利，能雅能俗。更幸运的是适时有粤乐大师王粤王与他配合。双剑合璧，无坚不摧！天若假年，当有更多巨构也。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.910 ) 日期：2012/12/31 21:35 留言者：Kc 以kc小人之心去度編曲人君子之腹；呢班友就是懶惰！取巧！即食！ 點解咁諗？ 最多名曲取材的李後主，用番晒李兄的詞，已是靚詞一族！駛鬼用䐉咩！ 又例如寫李清照，又係大詞家，又係有得抄！ 而最多人寫的唐婉陸遊，用番釵頭鳯！用番沈園題璧三首詩！已是天下無敵！又係因利乘便之作而已！ 至於用時人時事，如光棍姻緣，...........啱啱有八個銀錢！兩張超等都有多餘！ 大佬！通漲咁犀利！八皮嘢？而家早餐都起碼廿皮嘢啦！脫晒節啦！ 至於諧曲, 你估人人識搞笑乎? 能夠莊諧並重，天下無敵！吹得瘀得！捨卻kc，天下間還有幾人？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.911 ) 日期：2012/12/31 13:18 留言者：齋 當年的唐滌生和王粵生，佳作無數；有如早年的顧家輝及黃霑。 可惜黃霑先生過世前，作品已漸少了。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.912 ) 日期：2012/12/31 15:26 留言者：辛奇士 斋兄： 小弟好敬仰大师叔黄沾(他是港大毕业生)。佢除左天才横溢之外，份人重好真。犹记得佢他知道患了不治之症，一边医一边写博士论文，题目系讲香港流行音乐。系真枪真刀，唔系名誉个只。佢既朋友见佢咁辛苦，劝佢不要太认真。理由系呢行佢既朵咁大，边个敢唔畀个博士衔佢？点知畀佢的粗口闹到爬街。文章千古事，岂为沽名誉？疼惜完成雄文後不久便与世长辞。黄沾博士系实至名归既，系香港音乐界之光、港大之光、系真男人，亦系小弟既偶像。个的鬼鬼鼠鼠扮专家权威既，同沾叔挽鞋都唔配！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.913 ) 日期：2012/12/31 15:37 留言者：kc 黃霑先生的確是鬼才！ 粵語流行曲因佢D 詞, 升格了不少！ 知否世事常變, 變幻才是永桓！道盡了人生的無常！好嘢！ 很多首經典金曲, 至今歷久不衰！佩服！佩服！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.914 ) 日期：2012/12/31 20:57 留言者：辛奇士 黄沾师叔经典曲词有好多，举几个例： 《忘尽心中情》：忘尽心中情，遗下爱与痴... 《万水千山纵横》：万水千山纵横，岂惧风急雨翻... 《射雕英雄传》：绝招、好武功、十八掌一出力可降龙... 《上海滩》：浪奔、浪流、万里滔滔江水永不休... 《狮子山下》：人生纵有欢喜，难免亦常有泪... 《沧海一声笑》：沧海一声笑，滔滔两岸潮... 他除了词，写曲亦耍家，一脚踢的有： 《晚风中》：晚风中，有你我的梦... 黄沾的歌词，见证了香港与我们的成长岁月，令人怀念。这些元素，为何不能用来撰粤曲？未有不等於不能有，从前粤曲够无平喉同白话喇！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.915 ) 日期：2012/12/31 21:19 留言者：Kc 黃霑有段時間同紅線女搞咗一陣粵曲，但後來可能因黃霑果輯李鵬過聖誕！從來冇面世！ 但kc記憶中，似乎紅線女，上電視唱過！ 照計綁王應該難唔倒鬼才霑啦！ 可能作粵曲搵唔倒食啩？又要識音樂，文學，歷史，創作！ 咁死叻，去做廣告，搵錢仲快啦！ 鬼才霑就係廣告奇才囉！

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