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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）
日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1844 )
日期：2013/03/07 20:46
留言者：一家言

　　说到苏春梅，居然有这么多同道中人感兴趣，在下就多说几句吧。她确是自幼随母亲生活，家境当然好不到哪去。在剧校时，是个“丑小鸭”式的姑娘，后来到了市粤剧团，因为缺乏人脉关系，始终没有用武之地，有段时间曾在省曲艺团在人民中路的××酒楼唱曲维生。也是机缘巧合，在下曾与她在台上对唱过一曲《锦江诗侣》呢，所以可以说在下与她是识于微时，近一两年秦中英老师生日请吃饭，她共我闲聊时还记得我与她当年的这段“台缘”呢！
　　人要红，有时真要讲下“人命二运三风水”，当时小红豆粤剧团中，正印花旦是郭凤女，文武生是欧凯明，加上红线女还未留意到苏春梅，当时她在团里只能算是不上不下的角色，直到后来红线女和郭出现龃龉，二人师徒关系有所疏远，女姐才开始属意培养春梅。据传，有次女姐还跟春梅开玩笑，阿梅你知唔知你为乜咁难上位?因为你个老窦帮你改坏咗个名,好叫唔叫叫乜嘢春梅、春香，抵你一世都係梅香命嘅，再者“梅梅（霉霉）声，你想扎都几难，不如以后就叫××好过。……因为当时郭是副团长，当然不会让个位给这位师妹。兜兜转转了好多年，才经一位前辈推荐到了深圳市粤剧团，当她在事业上渐入佳境时，冷不防又被人绊了一交，过了三几年才算正式坐上正印的位置。事情的缘起很多人都知道，因为世哥想用他主演的《驼哥的旗》竞争“二度梅”，便不顾原来这出戏是苏春梅先演，并赢得行内广泛好评的，在参评演出前团里特意调珠海的琼霞来顶替春梅原来的角色，说是换个长相更漂亮的花旦，对作为副团长的世哥竞争“二度梅”更有把握，并由她和世哥演出参评“二度梅”的演出。最后，世哥如愿成为粤剧界第一个“二度梅”（即两次获得梅花奖）得主，其时琼霞恰好又与她原来在珠海团的拍搭姚××斗到七彩咁样,挑通眼眉的世哥趁势撬琼霞“过档”。这回真是“八月十五是中秋，有人快活有人愁”，阿梅自然又被别人“挂起”。直到后来姚××离开珠海粤剧团，琼霞才“重归苏莲托”，春梅才算有了出头之日，谁知好景不长，世哥退休后，黄××过档深圳粤剧团，很快团里又闹到“大剂”过“六男大封相”。如此几起几落，春梅已然意兴阑珊，加长自己岁月不饶人，很快便“嫁作商人妇”，相夫教子矣！唉，毁树容易种树难，培养一个好艺人难，但要埋没一个有潜质的艺人却是举手之劳！
　　当其时，作为师父的女姐未必没有为两位徒弟的“饭碗”出面斡旋过，但琼霞和春梅都是自己的徒弟，深圳粤剧团正印花旦的位置又只有一个，真是手心是肉，手背也是肉，你叫女姐如何选择呢？往事只能回味，在内地粤剧界内，有本事无运气的人何止一个春梅呢？有时只能怨自己的八字生得不好了，你看人家省粤剧院的院长，唱曲连音都未啱，院长照当不误，还有团里的不少靓仔靓女争着拜为师父，同人唔同命，同遮唔同柄，你嬲得咁多咩。还是那句话，既然你选择了食戏行这口饭，就要甘心命抵，打落牙齿肚里吞。在香港是这样，在内地也是这样，想真要认真认真演戏，清清白白做人——好……难呀！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1845 )
日期：2013/03/07 23:28
留言者：小陳

「嫁作商人婦」都算好歸宿。好多名旦都係咁。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1846 )
日期：2013/03/08 00:42
留言者：辛奇士

Hawaiian兄：

三位红派花旦之中，小弟比较注意苏春梅，她是小弟挚爱的子喉十二金钗之一。她的唱腔，揉合了红腔的高亢、芳腔的温婉、与丽腔(冼剑丽)的矜贵；并能因应角色、情绪作巧妙的组合，味浓情深。有声不卖声，尤为可贵。郭凤女承袭了女姐後期的美声唱法：武场合，文场略嫌硬与冲。琼霞声底最近女姐，行腔则欠特色。三人中苏春梅的综合艺术最高，唱工亦最好。至於被新凡风誉为天籁的女姐早期的娇嗲奔放，则三人都没有。女姐回国後亦逐渐改了。是否因为文艺路线领导认为是不太健康的呢？唔只女姐，马师曾的乞儿腔亦改了。
以上是小弟肤浅之见，贻笑大方了。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1847 )
日期：2013/03/08 03:48
留言者：Hawaiian

看了一家言兄的留貼,不無感慨!既然如此,早些收山相夫教子,享下清福好過.祝蘇春梅生活幸福!不過希望有空出來玩票式,或參與慈善活動以享知音. (拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌)



那個院長,據佢在港台訪問自爆唔係廣東人,好多粵音都唔識講.而且是半途出家,這不是問題.但佢的唱腔是本人聽過最難聽的一個,故從不聽佢的曲.就算佢當年率團來此番邦小島演出,雖然餓戲甚久,也未為佢花過一個仙.後來知道有此感覺的人,單在此小島也為數不少.今時佢貴為院長,位高權重,附勢趨炎的人在所不免,不過可以預言,那些模仿者肯定唔會受人歡迎,無形中好似入咗掘頭巷.
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貼了上面的一段就出去晨運,談及蘇春梅的事.大家都覺得可惜,是一件無可奈何的事.世事就係咁,有料的人未必得到發揮的機會,反而好多身居重位的人未必有料,在瞎指揮.試看世上成功或出類拔萃的公司多,或係胡裡胡塗的多?懷才必遇是一朝得志之說.


辛兄:
個人把紅門三弟子的唱功順排是:蘇,瓊,郭.而覺得郭只是一般,這純屬個人之見.

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1848 )
日期：2013/03/08 09:04
留言者：Hawaiian

辛兄:
DVD光碟剛剛收到,謝謝!
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1849 )
日期：2013/03/08 09:41
留言者：辛奇士

Hawaiian兄：

看罢请给中肯意见，等小弟话番畀新凡风知。佢份人怪怪地，受弹唔受赞。



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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1850 )
日期：2013/03/08 10:37
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)早晨！早晨！四四六六又到嘞！大家努力呀！

琴晚小弟去高山睇咗個騷！深圳劇團文武生曉毅唱咗兩隻歌，一隻蘇小妹三難新郎，另一隻 白龍關上卷！

呢兩隻歌都有水準！唱得不錯！值得一讚！

值得一提是最尾果隻，盧兆華師兄，用官話處理過血濺未央宮!

令很多本來尾曲必走的朋友留低聽晒！可記一功！

抵讚！ (好!) (好!) (好!) (拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1851 )
日期：2013/03/08 11:15
留言者：辛奇士

Kc兄：

罗钹、古腔、官话是珠联璧合，本该如此。现时少有二因：一是省内提倡用白话。二是唱与听很多不知官话的正确读音。专业亦然。为方便改用白话。其实是失了真，不伦不类。这好比上边着唐装(罗钹古腔)，下边着西裤(白话)。味道差远了。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1852 )
日期：2013/03/08 12:54
留言者：諾基亞

新馬唱周瑜歸天，唸一紙來書那段都用廣東話，味道亦不失。唯是某常常於唱局唱此曲，必用官話來唸，一來可以演下野，二來官話口白是用以訓練古腔咬字。有好多閉口音在唱時容易蒙混過去，若多用口白練習，則務求字字清楚矣。

大喉要用古腔，此前賢已註明，白燕仔唱大喉慢板，今日裏，裏字拉腔收五，啃耳非常，原來曲文有其專詞，不用其詞不得其粵曲味，而用廣嗓之工尺，則拗音多不可數，某以前不知編曲作曲，自有其戲曲文詞味道之理，以為如詩詞之作，一味文雅，句式平仄收得啱就可以，作來三篇南音，五支粵曲，於唱局唱來，音樂對辦，行腔正正規規，聽完但作嘔，後來聽得古腔多，聽其用詞句讀，就知道原來不可以將粵曲簡單當作一般詩詞填寫，用詞必要兼顧粵曲味道。此時我把家裏收藏一大堆近人所唱之南音唱片丟到垃圾筒，把自撰不倫不類之粵曲南音撕毀。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1853 )
日期：2013/03/08 15:33
留言者：辛奇士

诺基亚兄：

兄言甚是。

愚见：诗白、滚花、口白用白话或官话要看气氛与场合。麦炳荣《五郎救弟》系两沟。但系古腔与官话系同体两臂，强将之分拆再接异肢必难完美配合。罗品超唱小武曲本是夸啦啦。听其官话《山东响马》淋漓尽致；但白话既《凤仪亭》总觉欠了气势。

严观发个枝《新霸王别姬》既 首板同慢板用官话兄比原唱白话效果会更好。曲友不妨试试。
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1854 )
日期：2013/03/09 09:28
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)早晨！早晨！四萬六關直闖！

大家四四六六折掂佢！

唱口就談唱工，音樂師傅就談樂工！

觀眾就談風月！

做戲就談絕活！

正是；矮人看戲何曾見！

只是隨人說短長吧了！ (大笑) (大笑) (大笑)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1855 )
日期：2013/03/09 10:23
留言者：kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)

隻眼須憑自主張，

紛紛藝苑漫雌黃，

矮人看戲何曾見？

都是隨人說短長。 (表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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