粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
任大家隨意發揮吧！ (表情33)
（出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4265 )
日期：2013/08/23 02:52
留言者：TL

(歡笑)
c#不是c90，是c100。c到d是200個音分，c#在中間。
現在通用的調音器有calib的設置，可將A從438調到445。
標準音高是A440。a是c上方一個6度音，即是粵曲工尺譜的“五”。將振動頻率440Hz的音定為a（五），是為標準音高。到音樂店買個音叉，敲一敲，響出來的就是這個音。
制定國際標準音高只是上世紀50年代的事，在此之前，音高標準並不統一。即使是現在，樂團樂隊定音也不限定在A440。
當calib定在A445，調音結果和所謂c20大致相近。所以，放棄c20的調法，直接將粵曲的標準音高定在A445。調起音來更方便，音高與c20無異，理論上也說得過去，可以理直氣壯了。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4266 )
日期：2013/08/23 02:59
留言者：TL

(歡笑)
大陸腔的話題在立網說過很多，翻舊帖就可以，不贅言了。 (表情25)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4267 )
日期：2013/08/23 06:17
留言者：TL

蛇兄：內地在與香港的藝術交流中，擁有一種先天的文化強勢，原因固有多方面，不言自明，不表。雙方技巧風格各有優劣，於此也不論。我的態度是：一方既然身處弱勢，反彈是必然的，偏激不可免，無可厚非。內地圈子中人應能理解，有容乃大。
忍不住還是說說大陸腔。兩地文化“絕交”幾近卅年，驟尔相逢，差異是明顯的，此點不容否認。“大陸腔”這個詞的出現，有其歷史的必然性。但是1，用作貶義詞是片面的，因為對一種藝術風格或藝術形式的鑑賞並不是非黑即白這麼簡單。2，經過又一個三十年的交流，廣港粵曲的差異越來越少，在可以想見的將來，差異會消弭。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4268 )
日期：2013/08/23 07:38
留言者：辛奇士

何华栈黎紧既个唱，合唱者全广东一级花旦，四十人大乐队，七曲中有两枝首唱，最高票价HKD550，抛曲、爆棚可期。前不久有个专业曲骚，全香港一线老倌加曾慧，三生三旦，高氏兄弟十三人乐队，七曲全旧，全读曲，最高栗价HKD320，八成几人。有几位唱者声气已不复当年。两骚同一场地。一边气势如虹，一边是食老本。小弟并无地域观念，但事实本地粤剧曲艺领域，正逐渐被省内中生代所占据，不可挽矣。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4269 )
日期：2013/08/23 07:47
留言者：新凡风

TL曲兄；

区区不自量力，斗胆致力於粤港粤曲欣赏文化融合。虽云两地交流有年，鸿沟仍深。愚公移山，望有来人也。

(表情16)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4270 )
日期：2013/08/23 08:14
留言者：云

藝術欣賞如金字塔，有專精有普及，
若偏以市場角度來衡量，怕難以欣賞色式千姿百態之藝術高度。

以小妹所見所思，大陸腔 (意指其用聲及樣版式唱法、非指其旋律) 之形成，估計是根源自背後之樣板式思維，
文革以後，已背離傳統文化之易經動態思維，
近年已開始重新推廣傳統中國文化，
粵曲方面，國內花旦多年來亦已多作港化之修正，
兩地唱法溶攝互補，眾之所望。 (表情35)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4271 )
日期：2013/08/23 13:48
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 早晨！早晨！

新的一天！又向一路易一路易進發！

話分兩頭，粵曲粵劇本無省港分歧！

重溫歷史，每多唏噓！

省內老倌，重提文革，真係不堪回首話當年！

重回香江，竟有兒童相見不相識！

笑問此腔何處來之嘆！

小弟細時只知任白，新馬，牛榮，何非凡，

聲哥，雛鳯年代已不多接觸粵曲粵劇矣！

至於風腔，蝦腔，B腔，已是退休後重認粵曲粵劇的新知矣！ (表情34)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4272 )
日期：2013/08/23 11:40
留言者：麥友成

重有C腔。 (表情23)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4273 )
日期：2013/08/23 11:46
留言者：老三

云

子喉“作港化之修正”似乎就较多个案，平喉就少得可怜了…。个人认为，这是因为在技术上是有不同的分野的问题存在。

最早的子喉“作港化之修正”的人，应首选曾慧了，不信，随便上土豆网找曾慧廿多年前的音像一听就见分明。近年的子喉“作港化之修正”的人，就该数到林颖施了。

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4274 )
日期：2013/08/23 12:19
留言者：辛奇士

云曲友：

国内老倌既港化，系迁就本地市场既需要。返粤後仍是以声为重既粤化，因为省内曲迷(更加紧要系领导)既要求如此。当然，变好过唔变。省内粤曲唱法，自文革後被美声侵蚀已有几十年，积重难返。人亡腔衰，待虾哥、风哥、B哥故去後，省内传统唱法更无传矣。礼失求诸野，香港仍是一方净土。但又有D本地曲友过犹不及，自已无乜声就强调声唔重要，呢个系另一谬误。系吖，上海妹、靓次伯、严淑芳、陈小汉等声唔算靓仍成名腔。但系新马、何非凡、红线女、邓碧云、梁素琴......(太多不能尽录)等都系有声又有腔既噃！一声遮三丑，仍是定律。味比声重要，更是铁律。至少在理论上，两者系可以协调既。

三哥：

曾慧既转变，应受佢师父祥哥影响。但系若隔一轮唔黎，佢又甩唔晒D大陆声噃。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4275 )
日期：2013/08/23 15:21
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 時至今日，能在港大塲賣飛表演唱藝，的確難能可貴！

尤其是在文化中心，成三千幾位！

音響又不適合唱粵曲！

更加規例多多！要七點半至開得塲！

真係祝君好運咯！ (表情34)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4276 )
日期：2013/08/23 17:12
留言者：辛奇士

文化音乐厅，近期试过开七点三，总算从善如流咯。不过音响真系散，唔岩粤曲。拿，新凡风话佢好多会堂都出过骚，独系抗拒呢度，就系嫌音响。

(表情40)

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