粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
任大家隨意發揮吧！ (表情33)
（出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2941 )
日期：2013/05/22 15:28
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 欣賞應是個人主觀的感受！

並不是層次的問題！

不欣賞臭豆腐的朋友，並不比欣賞臭豆腐的朋友層次低！

不懂欣賞各老牌名腔的朋友多的是！

只能講一句，咸魚青菜，各有所愛吧了！

KC見過有D人以為懂欣賞西洋歌劇的朋友，比只懂欣賞傳統粵藝的品味高！

同樣是墮入了自設的謬誤而己！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2942 )
日期：2013/05/22 17:03
留言者：麥友成

祥仔講開飲食我就跟住上,八大菜之分以地域為名,地道菜就是風味為主,不是個人口味,欣賞歌曲就如品嚐菜色,係果皮就係果皮。 (表情24)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2943 )
日期：2013/05/22 17:20
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 粵曲的鑼查，有D人就覺得攞命！

聽到頭痛！

試問仲點去欣賞？

近排見好多朋友去欣賞昆曲！

唉！粵曲都未欣賞得倒！

仲要增加難度？ (表情24)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2944 )
日期：2013/05/22 22:03
留言者：TL

(表情33) 僅從個人喜好出發的欣賞嚴格來說不是藝術欣賞。也有人將之歸納為欣賞的第一個層次，即感官欣賞。從理論技巧的角度分析品評優劣是欣賞的第二個層次。進而移情縱意，物我兩忘，是為第三層次。
要將前輩泰斗的成就放在歷史中來考量。平喉梆黃唱法歷數十年不出薛腔格局，今人站在薛的肩上，如僅僅就某些藝術細節來評高下是不公平的。
藝術欣賞有個”距離”說，要在最適當的距離才能作充分欣賞。薛腔對當代人來說，年代是稍為久遠了些。這是覺得薛腔不過爾爾的另一原因。

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2945 )
日期：2013/05/22 22:21
留言者：一家言

　　听粤曲和学唱粤曲，以前在下也有很专一的阶段，因为比较偏爱×腔，所以听和学的全都是×腔的曲，后来一位音乐师傅开玩笑说，你唱来唱去都是×××的曲，如今他都上年纪了，再没有什么新曲出来了，你岂不不是以后不用唱粤曲了？说者无心，听者有意，后来往深层一想，粤曲唱腔是百花齐放的，任何一家的唱腔都不能独大，所以便有意识听听其他老倌的唱腔，不听不知道，一听原来许多老倌在演唱上都有自己的杀手锏，就是同是女伶唱的平喉，李少芳、何丽芳、黄少梅、黄佩英（新张月儿）、陈锦红、刘凤等等，各人都各有各人的窍妙。比如同是男平喉唱家，李向荣、钟云山、钟自强、靳永棠，各人都有值得吸取的地方，眼界确实比原来只吊在×腔一棵树上开阔多了。前人说的“观千剑而后识器，操千曲而后晓声”，大概讲的就是见多才能识广的道理。
　　听多了，还要学会分析甄别，哪些是好东西，哪些是糟粕，否则兼收并蓄，把人家的长处和缺点都照单全收，那就“无数围”了。当然，出于各人的欣赏口味和性格爱好，有人喜欢通俗易学的，有人钟情骨子细腻的，这原是很难强求一律的，但提高鉴赏能力是很有必要的。不管你怎么理解，艺术殿堂是自有其门槛的，唱摇滚流行歌的就是进不了维也纳的金色大厅，你不能说人家歧视你，同样道理，你也不可能见到多明戈和帕瓦罗蒂到酒廊和夜总会驻唱。
　　在某个时期，内地文艺界曾提出一句口号——在普及中提高，在提高中普及。换句话说，就是艺术在追求民众参与时也要注重专业性，在强调专业性时也要考虑到民众的参与性。这个出发点当然不错，但要真正做好就很不容易。唱粤曲嘛，毕竟是普罗大众的事，有很多的人能参与进来，方能形成气候，既然有那么多人参与和关注了，努力将它的水平和文化层次促上去，自然就是爱好者和同道中人义不容辞的了。所以，各种声音都应该听到，让人说想说的话天塌不下来，自以为自己一贯正确，容不得别人对某事某人有不同的看法，不是今天这个时代的开明做法。
　　萨达姆、卡扎菲、齐奥塞斯库，不是曾经很霸道和不可一世吗，最后下场不是都很那个吗？！大家都有包容的胸襟，网络上也有言无不尽的空间，这样理才能辨得清，事才能说得明。否则，舆论定诸一尊，网络便没有存在的必要。像前俄国著名作宾契诃夫说的那样，大狗叫，也允许小狗也叫嘛！

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2946 )
日期：2013/05/22 22:33
留言者：TL

(表情39) 演出水平與欣賞水平是互動關係。廚師愈是不斷提供美食，食客就愈加識飲識食；嘴尖的食客愈多，廚師發揮的動力和空間就愈大。

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2947 )
日期：2013/05/22 23:16
留言者：麥友成

新腔馬榮成! (表情24)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2948 )
日期：2013/05/22 23:19
留言者：辛奇士

拜读左TL兄与一家言先生既猛帖，真心竟觉得欣赏力系有一个共通既标准默契。名腔亦系有异有同既。异之所好人所异，同之所好人所同。学曲与赏曲既精要就系最大程度寻找、消化、吸收众名腔既共同点。个个名家都行个条路梗系藏宝路喇！但系要揾藏宝路就要多听、多研各名家既首本曲；听死一家好难揾到条藏宝路既。俗语话：五岳归来不看山，黄山归来不看岳。唔探匀五岳又点知黄山系最正既呢？小弟听曲系火骐麟，计有平喉十八罗汉、子喉十二金钗、大喉大三元、丑生大四喜；互相印证。虽系听得杂，但系学与唱就唔会飞黎飞去；择适而从是重要的。可惜适既范围窄，因为小弟系五音不全既！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2949 )
日期：2013/05/23 08:41
留言者：辛奇士

若从观摩、学习角度出发，睇同听都要拣好既。唔见过的好野，点知天外有天呢？买飞唔系问题，只要物有所值。若从消闲出发，首要梗系悭皮同就脚喇！话唔埋有虾碌镜头仲赚飧笑添呢？人人谂野唔同，无话岩唔岩既。不过睇得渣野多，欣赏力自然发展慢。起码人地讲开的顶级骚都一头雾水唔识搭嗲喇！
(歡笑) (表情6)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2950 )
日期：2013/05/23 10:18
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 早晨！早晨！

新的一天！又沖十萬大關！

正呀是：欣賞角度各不同！

各自吹水冇裂縫！

各路英雄，繼續吹水可也！

似乎立哥要諗諗，到了99999之後點算了！

呢疏剪摩扮！

呢疏剪摩扮！ (表情34)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2951 )
日期：2013/05/23 11:32
留言者：kc

(大笑)

詩云:

隻眼須憑自主張，

紛紛藝苑漫雌黃，

矮人看戲何曾見？

都是隨人說短長。

每有爭論時, kc就想起這首詩！

咁就冇咁自以為是咯！

(表情34)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2952 )
日期：2013/05/23 15:00
留言者：辛奇士

哗，就黎去到九死一生咯噃，小弟都有D惊！

奉和牛奶咀打油诗(话明打油就唔跟诗格)：

个棚未拆便开张，
唱完小曲唱梆黄。
撞板反腔周时见，
死人都要枝曲长！
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