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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一)
日期:2015/04/26 22:55
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2108 )
日期:2013/03/27 11:43
留言者:老三

2/.先天性唱曲有韻味的,代表者;區X祥。

這種先天性,既有分強弱的遺傳性,也有後天由小孩學語成長形成的語音習慣性,這也應該歸類為先天的一類(因為這是在學唱曲前已经擁有的條件)。這先天性,亦即是開聲講話,已經很有粵味的音質存在,要是學唱粵曲,平白無故就已經"似模似樣"了。揭開這面紗,就會知道,這類人,平常講話,也習慣使用共鳴音,尤其是口、齒、喉、鼻的共鳴音。使用了共鳴音,講話也很省氣省力和顯得柔和些。
但這很容易出現一個很大的副作用,就是全依赖這先天的優勢,而不去鉆研學習真正的唱曲技術技巧,出現的後果就是;唱某些曲的表現就好像很不錯甚至非常好,而唱另外一些曲就差得遠和力不能逮。最容易應付不了的是高音部分(老三強調;掌握了技術,絕大部分人都能應付高音的)。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2109 )
日期:2013/03/27 12:30
留言者:辛奇士

老三哥:

然则您有无研究过罗家宝、上海妹、靓次伯等欠高子原因何在呢?既为名腔,佢地既技术肯定有啦?

(沉思)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2110 )
日期:2013/03/27 12:59
留言者:老三

辛兄:

有探究過!稍後再詳細噴口水,去食飯先! (表情33)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2111 )
日期:2013/03/27 15:04
留言者:老三

辛兄和眾高手:

班门弄斧請莫怪。

在唱粵曲的技術技巧上,不光是只有一種技術的,而是由很多種技術技巧所組成的。它們互相影響而演變出來,就有很多種的組合了,或者說是有很多種的技術效果,技術結果了。要是少了一些技術技巧,組合出來的結果也是少了一些的了。
羅X寶,應該是直接受到師傅們的傳統所教所訓,一生的演唱方式,都是用同一種"直唱"的方式去唱。年青時,氣足力壯,高音尚不困難(土豆網有不少他年青時演戲唱曲的錄像錄音),但年龄大了,就明顯唱不高,氣不足了。老三認為是他"一生的演唱方式,都是用同一種"直唱"的方式去唱。"所致。要是他去學習和掌握另外的一些"曲藝"技巧,他也可以象陳X漢一樣,不夠聲不夠氣也可以能唱高音了。
而靚次伯就比較特別,天生聲線特別低沈卻清浙。他就象一棵很粗的竹子,天生就不能做笛子,吹響高音符。只能是做吹低音的大簫。在技術技巧上,對他攻打高音,幫助是有限的。
至於上海妹,老三對子喉少於探究,簡單的評估是與羅家寶後期的情況相似,本身不夠氣,卻沒掌握省氣節力的枝巧。又既然形成了風格,就沒思進和改了。


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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2112 )
日期:2013/03/27 15:46
留言者:想问

究竟是什么技术?如何操作? (表情25)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2113 )
日期:2013/03/27 16:12
留言者:老三

想問君:

你的問題真的不容易全面性的回答,但要數第一位的技術要求,我認為是要練習好丹田氣在唱曲上的運用,光這方面,也要花一、二年的時間呵,其它的如吐字、各部位的共鳴、氣息上的處理.....等等方面,就一步步來學習和修正....。
多問多想多嘗試,是快速進步的好方向。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2114 )
日期:2013/03/27 17:36
留言者:辛奇士

三哥:

愚见:声音是天生的,声线是可以训练的。天生有就有,无就无,练亦无用。乌鸦不作杜鹃啼。每个人的发声与共鸣器官是大同小异,可小异也就决定了他或她的声音。声线则系可以透过发声技巧来改善,将扁变立、乾变润、幼变壮、短加长等等。罗X宝天生假声(京剧叫小嗓)差,只能用真声(大嗓),他年青时的不太高的高子是托上去,细听乏弹性。这不能算真有。阮X辉则高子使假声,因为有。新剑郎亦系。有可以练,唔练亦唔靓。陈X汉年青时音域阔,後来生病坏了声带,努力下高子只恢复了小部份,虽到声残。靓次伯公脚腔,低去卖韵味。名腔天生好声夹音域阔的代表人物系何非凡、新马师曾同红线女。凡哥得天独厚,上高落低垂直升降,不用跑道。因他无系统声乐训练,其腔亦柔多刚少,独擅文场。祥哥加京剧老生脑後音发声,特别响透。听他早期(梁无相几可乱真)与成熟期(永祥公司录音)的声线是不同的。女姐回国後发声跟指示用了重美声,牺牲了韵味。既得了国际歌唱奖又被捧为子喉圭皋,金字塔顶无得落,女腔便成红腔了。

劲吹水,唔抹咀。知少少,系碎料。

(表情6) (表情33)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2115 )
日期:2013/03/27 18:09
留言者:諾基亞

羅家寶聲線乾扁扁,一向都唔係唱高音為主,叫佢唱小武曲,肯定攞佢命,間時強唱高音都有點啃耳,而雖唔夠氣,但羅家寶好野在於識「省氣」,在中低音部以短腔行走,著重唱字,沒高音但係依然有曲味,不為上品都為中品上,但陳小漢就以其乾蠟聲強走高音。不唱好過唱。而靚次伯絕對係唱到高音,唔記得甚麼曲,但其大喉梆子七字首板穿雲裂石,不到你不信。後來年老,氣依然足但聲轉了,唱高音雖已非專長,但唱來亦覺爽淨。此為曲藝到家。

去唔到高音,可以係無氣,可以係潺仔喉,氣可練,喉可省,聲不能改,無亦不必強為,強唱苦了聽者。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2116 )
日期:2013/03/27 18:14
留言者:諾基亞

不料新兄珠玉在前,某之粗論可作狗尾以續貂。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2117 )
日期:2013/03/27 18:19
留言者:寸草心

" 俱往矣, 數英雄人物, 還看今朝!?? " (沉思)
據各位兄台分釋,名唱家之天賦係重要因素.
今时今曰有多少天分既,就比現代社会既壓力(單求上樓就氣頂)扭曲正軌去練同演!......
觀衆水平亦不同........免費騷,重想点呀!?......
以前D大老倌交唔倒,实比人柴啦!..E家!?..........D粉絲重獻花,簽名,擺甫士添! (沉思) (表情42) (表情42) (表情42)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2118 )
日期:2013/03/27 18:22
留言者:玉笙

辛奇士哥哥:
勁呀! (拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2119 )
日期:2013/03/27 18:35
留言者:玉笙

辛奇士哥哥:
(2114)有料到,正 (拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌)

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