粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1832 ) 日期：2013/03/07 05:49 留言者：Hawaiian 老細-----靚女----唱家----老倌----名叫紀承珍(幾成真???) 講到鬼揸咁叫,個人認為廣州花旦梁某某莫屬.佢唔係唱,係”努”-------昨晚食咗番石榴,今早上廁一樣. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1833 ) 日期：2013/03/07 15:48 留言者：辛奇士 Hawaiian兄： 您讲个位广州花旦梁XX人靓声紧，但系坐正剧团正印好多年噃！小弟觉得有枝曲至岩佢，就系陈冠卿撰既《鬼怨》勒！一家言先生或知道她的传奇上位经过？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1834 ) 日期：2013/03/07 10:53 留言者：Kc 早晨！早晨！四萬五在望！向四萬六進發！大家四四六六折掂佢！ 講到靚聲！有D聲，你一聽就鍾意，粵曲就新馬仔，流行曲就鄧麗君！ 有D聲真係聲如破鑼！好鬼難聽！ 紅線女唱昭君出塞時就好！唱荔枝頌就難頂了！ 陶三姑把聲就真係嚇死人！ 小弟聽過余慕蓮唱粵曲！似乎人醜又未必聲醜！ 聲音比較老得慢！小弟見過一位亞婆唱歌，把聲直頭後生到你唔信！ 聲音真係一件很奇妙的樂器也！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1835 ) 日期：2013/03/07 10:27 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： 当艺术要承担任务时，它的本色便被削弱了。闻当年(1959)陈冠卿撰《荔枝颂》畀红线女代表中国参加莫斯科的国际音乐大赛。结果女姐不负重托，得了金奖，被誉为「中国花腔女高音」。呢个荣誉同粤曲味有几大关系自己谂咧！的俄国评判又点知粤曲味系乜呀？俄式美声佢地至会欣赏架麻！在得奖是硬道理既思想作祟下，美声开始统领中国戏曲界，尽管美声与低沉的广府语音是格格不入的。礼失求诸野，我地有幸生活在传承了传统曲艺的香港，一定要坚持韵味、地方特色第一的曲艺欣赏角度，抗拒「有声卖声，哧你一惊」的演唱模式；从而反影响省内。拿，同是红派弟子，小弟喜欢苏春梅多於郭凤女，因为前者从美声向传统曲味回归。新凡风亦很欣赏她，认为她发展了红腔。专栏曾赞曰：万子(喉)千红(派)赏一梅，誉为「红梅」腔。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1836 ) 日期：2013/03/07 12:54 留言者：kc 所謂業餘唱家, 通常就指一D玩玩吓唔夠班之徒ｏ（如在下退咗休, 窮極無聊唱吓歌之輩） 如果稍有成就就變成了著名唱家, 閨秀唱家啦ｏ如果再有成績, 就成職業唱家或者唱家導師啦ｏ 業餘唱家拍一個職業唱家是不可能變成两個職業唱家的ｏ 反而最有可能的是變成了, 两個業餘唱家ｏ既然變了業餘, 但又去收人地錢, 咁算唔算欺騙呢？ 徧徧粵曲界就有此怪現家ｏ什麼窩生窩旦（蘇丹紅小姐）都找來什麽白X賢, 黄X坤, 郭X女, X慧 等等ｏ大賣特賣！ 其實這此等業餘唱家都係受害者ｏ 叫佢個D人, 梗係話佢地掂啦ｏ如果有自知之明, 明知未收得人錢, 點會制？ 何况業餘唱家出SHOW（成隻歌两邊俾晒, 又要封利是俾拍擋ｏ）都好傷也ｏ 一個唔該, 又甩又撞（職業唱家拍擋邊有咁神心同你練好隻歌呢？操多次都嫌煩也ｏ）真係大災難！遺恨終生也ｏ 就算演出成功了, 人地只讚你個拍擋帶得好, 開度交得準, 點會記得你？唔該醒D啦ｏ 如果話要練習, 滿足表演慾, 由社區會堂開始也不錯ｏ 再進步, 上高山, 入葵青, 不收門票, 冇人話你, 學生嘛！當然可以錯啦ｏ 一次生, 两次熟, 有排都未大結局, 幾好玩ｏ（小弟都玩過好多次啦ｏ） 收費就唔同了, 你交不出水準, 等同欺騙ｏ 觀眾會柴台, 掟鷄蛋（大佬, 有蘇丹紅會致癌也）ｏ死未！咪誤己誤人啦ｏ 何况既然出得起錢, 不收費, 連大老倌都玩埋, 免費同佢唱俾大家聽, 等佢地做戲唱歌一樣冇人肯買飛ｏ（等佢地唔認真, 唔操曲, 亂咁瓈！連正職都渦埋）ｏ 當然有曲藝有水準就應該收費, 世上冇免費午餐嘅（剛剛死咗個經濟學大師,佛利民先生話嘅）ｏ 邊D可以收費？ 你問我？我問邊個？ 梗係好聽個D啦！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1837 ) 日期：2013/03/07 13:12 留言者：一家言 　　听苏春梅唱红腔，在下时有青出于蓝而胜于蓝之感，证诸行内同值仁，许多人也颇有同感，其中除了苏本人有学唱红腔的慧根和天赋，很大程度还要归功于红线女肯收她为徒的慧眼。在下以为，苏学红腔，真正学到了红腔的精髓，说得客观些，红腔作为影响粤剧旦角（尤其是内地旦角）深远的流派，其演绎手法自有其独到之处，也在舞台上塑造过众多光彩照人的艺术形象，如王昭君、李香君、朱帘秀、蔡文姬、解放军连长刘琴、革命烈士刘胡兰，甚至是鲁迅笔下的贫苦妇女祥林嫂，还有白衣天使（医生）白洁等，除了被誉为红色经典《山乡风云》中的刘琴，广大戏迷似乎更欣赏和喜爱她在台上所饰演的古典人物角色。这使我想起著名越剧表演艺术家王文娟说过的这么一段话：自己作为从艺几十年的戏曲演员，由于种种原因，我也演过“方向戏”和“政治戏”，如演过杨开慧（毛泽东早年的革命伴侣）、向警予（老一辈女共产党人）等，但戏曲艺术就其自身的表演特色而言，更适宜演绎传诵题材的作品和人物，我所演过的越剧剧目中，观众公认水平最高的还是《追鱼》、《红楼梦》这类传统剧目。作为一个饱经风霜的艺人，敢说出这番发自肺腑的真话，是需要相当勇气的。我看过王文娟演的戏，甚至看她演《红楼梦》时还流过不少眼泪，听了她这么一番话，更让我增加了对她的敬重。有太多远没有王文娟那么高水平和成就的伶人，为了一己私利，可以昧着良心，或做违心之事，或说违心之语，曲学阿世，着实很让人为之扼腕。 　　有知情人说，红线女肯收苏春梅为徒，首先她觉得苏具备学红腔的条件，而没有考虑苏有没有能力摆几多十围酒席和给师父多少万的拜师利是，苏春梅学红腔学得似，学得传神，但没有学师父晚年演唱中的“砂石”。这是红线女的苦心孤诣之处，更是苏春梅的择善而从，红线女能有苏春梅这样的艺术传人，这是红线女的福德，更是粤剧行内的佳话。所谓种瓜得瓜，种豆得豆，如今香港和内地都有不少老倌在广纳门人，演粤剧的收唱曲艺的，演粤剧收做生意的，唱曲艺收做阔太的，做契爷的收做契女的，形形色色，热闹非常。但真正能授艺传学的有几人？一位老前曾感叹时下老倌的什么拜师，收“弟子”是假，收“银子”才是真的！ 　　也许有些老倌对此会不服气，我收的弟子是货真价实的。好，风水佬呃你十年八年，你就的起心肝，试下一分钱学费不收，教出几个像苏春梅学红腔那样的徒弟出来，我就说你收徒是如假包换的坚料了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1838 ) 日期：2013/03/07 14:15 留言者：辛奇士 鞋，Kc兄，曲艺圈既内情，您系有所不知咯。 业余曲友出骚，目的各有不同：或自娱、或共娱、或寻梦、或考验，这些大都份系免费骚，观众亦无意见。至於曲艺一般既阔佬阔太拍名家而卖飞既，自有玄机在内。最大既动机系够面子。国内粤剧团主要演员一系食皇粮，有数得计；自营既因为省内大戏票价低，亦赚唔到大钱。来港演出系罗大花红，当然系never say no 喇！从前佢地好平，成为主流嘉宾後抢贵晒，有名气既万万声。始作俑者就系呢的阔人喇！听过有富贵曲友同中间人讲：我想同X哥（X姐）唱边支曲，叫佢开个价啦！大佬，钱纵非万能，亦有九千能！好少似陆登咁，死都企硬既。定了名家拍档同曲目，当然乐队同场地都要高级至衬得起。不是要收支平衡，但票价不能低，否则无面。最兴系等价派飞。就系成本几多钱就摊分几多飞。的飞点推就八仙过海，各展神通。先声夺人在海报。操曲麻，名家多数唔得闲，唯有找相熟曲友操同找老师补钟。临场妆扮梗要靓靓。演出水准听天由命。台下亲友团拍行手掌、司仪猛擦鞋、虎度门孙仔孙女献花。香港观众一般有礼貌，唔会大起哄。如果无瘟神新凡风系专栏度乱写，感受可以系完美的。 内幕仲有，爆住咁多先喇！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1839 ) 日期：2013/03/07 15:19 留言者：辛奇士 一家言先生： 听闻苏春梅早年身世十分坎坷。是个孤女？她的艺术成就除了伯乐、慧根外，自身的努力与坚强也是关键。有些专门挑剔国内花旦曲艺既香港阔太，对苏唱艺无可奈何，竟说她出骚打扮〝娘〞。咁都得？驶唔驶拎埋LV手袋、戴埋火钻出场呀又？ 闻她准备收山，随夫回苏州去。太可惜了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1840 ) 日期：2013/03/07 16:36 留言者：Hawaiian 辛兄: 聽聞你所講蘇春梅想收山的事,覺得十分可惜!早年聽過一段港台由錢佩佩訪問蘇春梅的錄音,佢還未做正印.蘇是珠海縣人,是一個鄉下姑娘,愛唱歌,家境不大好.佢投考粵劇訓練斑主要目的是不想當農民,想離開鄉下.所以個背囊裡的衣服也是很寒酸老土.天賦加努力終於畢業,因緣際會得紅綫女賞識,叫佢搬去同食同住,並親身傳藝.出道後為賺二三十元歌酬,經常踩一兩個鐘單車去演唱.與蘇同樣受到到紅線女親身教的,還有一個瓊霞.據瓊霞接受錢佩佩訪問時透露,紅線女為教佢演”思凡”一劇,也是和佢同食同住.以上兩人可以稱係紅線女的入室弟子.還有郭鳳女也自稱也是,不知兄台對這三人的造詣評價如何?願聞其詳. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1841 ) 日期：2013/03/07 17:18 留言者：諾基亞 新奇士大哥，乜你套碟咁堅料？ 係邊度搵得到？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1842 ) 日期：2013/03/07 19:29 留言者：辛奇士 诺基亚兄： 您系咪讲紧个套包罗万有既古今粤曲老番碟？去深圳的曲社问吓喇！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1843 ) 日期：2013/03/07 20:41 留言者：路過 現在每逢星期一凌晨一點重播的由梁漢威主持的"琴曲重引梁以忠"值得推薦收聽。 這節目首播於1986年，輯錄梁以忠等名家於1966年在商台播唱的古腔八大名曲，當時由梁以忠及周聰（唱粵語時代曲的那一位）擔任節目主持。 近幾個星期播放八大曲最後一輯“雪中賢”，梁以忠在劇中唱二花面喉。通常梁以忠在古腔粵曲大多唱公腳喉，唱霸腔很少聽到。 聽梁以忠平時說話的聲線頗低沉，想不到他的霸腔高音域十分通透，遊刃有餘。

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