粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
任大家隨意發揮吧！ (表情33)
（出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1784 )
日期：2013/02/28 21:29
留言者：寸草心

KC兄,原耒你都係断估既啫! (表情34)
回到兩地粤曲味話題:
最難忍受係內地捻住喉嚨哎果D高亢对白........考起半曰安! (表情42)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1785 )
日期：2013/02/28 21:45
留言者：辛奇士

寸草心兄、Kc兄：

小弟自有销量情报，这里不方便透露。至於等齐广告至印书应该唔多系。小弟知道有广告因为出版迟了而抽起。广告系有时间性的。有时两个月出一本特别厚但系又无加价，剩系印刷费都蚀死啦！新凡风话马龙个本书所有图片都系自拍或珍藏的，没有曲友提供的。不定期应该同人手缺或等猛稿有关既？
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忽然曲友讨论区要入左立网再揿。每次回帖都要填姓名同密码，唔系咁方便。 (沉思)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1786 )
日期：2013/03/01 00:00
留言者：tt

回1785，都認為要填咁多嘢才回到，打窒度氣，有時費事講，麻煩吖嘛！ (微笑)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1787 )
日期：2013/03/01 09:14
留言者：辛奇士

tt小姐：

小弟也不明白为何回帖由简变繁。不过您系咪唔会嫌烦呢？唔睇僧面睇佛面，梗系要撑住令兄Kc啦！

【字正腔圆】
早前TL兄一语中的，系粤曲字正就系发口好。这有两个概念，一是工尺准，二是字音准。粤曲的特色是字密腔短，先入字再行腔。最好当然系撰曲人将字与腔统一起来，例如小弟前帖唐涤生《钓鱼郎》入边个段「昭君怨」，字与音浑若天成，是大师手笔，新曲不多见。然而，大师亦只能用力於小曲，因为工尺是固定的。至於自由度腔的梆簧便容易产生矛盾了。常说度身定造；功夫之一便是将用字与原唱名家惯腔巧妙结合，使听来更觉流畅。曲的流行不能只唱一腔，於是便要度腔，将字与腔的矛盾消除。技巧不外乎搬叮板、改字音或改唱腔。名腔有规范，妥协便是字音了。此其一。上世纪二三十年代粤曲由官话改白话，由高转低；这过程导致唱腔改变，产生了大量新腔。白话多沉音字亦带来跌宕单调的问题。在生活语言上广东人引入乡音和将正音稍读歪来解决了。例子很多，如姐读遮、陈读诊等等，多是将沉音字调高了。粤曲亦普遍如此。若名辞正读音是合合，唱曲多变了士合，以增跌宕。但有一点不改变就是字韵。也就是平仄改了韵不脱。底线是迁就了唱腔而字义仍可捕捉。若仍拗口而又不想改腔的，那只能改字了。当然，无论字的读音如何，它必须清晰。时值若许可，字的头、腹、尾要出齐。详情可参考立网「五音四呼」栏目。如此说来，就粤曲言，字露是比字正切的。有一点是最基本的；任何说法只是概念，死抱不放便成死水。研究创新，移步不换形(梅兰芳语)，让死水流动成活水，正是艺术发展精神之所在也。微末之见，有待方家斧正。

以後续论腔圆。
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1788 )
日期：2013/03/01 09:39
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 早晨！早晨！

又新的一天！回帖要填好多嘢？我用ipad，bookmark咗回應版！

一入就可開正此帖，而所有資料早已存檔！一D煩都冇！

就算填，只需填個名、加一個簡單的所謂密碼！又有幾煩呢？

最多咪揀埋回應公仔！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1789 )
日期：2013/03/01 19:41
留言者：寸草心

回帖幾繁都煩倒个D浦住PadPad既, 最怕少左D真有識之捧場曲友啫! (表情35)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1790 )
日期：2013/03/01 19:56
留言者：寸草心

回帖幾繁都煩唔倒个D浦住PadPad既, 最怕少左D真有見識之捧場曲友啫!
SORRY,吝鬼尽!自己都睇唔明! (表情24)
难為死寫成千字果D!
重有, KC兄果D貼士好靈嫁! (好!) (好!) (好!)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1791 )
日期：2013/03/01 22:16
留言者：徐姿

不過，點解有真知綽見的，多用簡體字，睇得我頭暈眼花。但全是有文彩的，倒叫我無可奈何！佩服！佩服！ (好!) (好!) (好!)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1792 )
日期：2013/03/01 22:33
留言者：辛奇士

徐姿小姐：

有坚料个几位，大概系国内曲友，用简体正常。至於无料如小弟者，系因为买的手写版系统只有简体。我地呢个栏目系畀全世界广东粤剧曲艺爱好者睇既。无论简或繁体，总有部份人唔适应；顺得哥情失嫂意，无计！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1793 )
日期：2013/03/01 23:00
留言者：徐姿

辛兄，
我金睛火眼地閱讀你哋的帖子，但要睇多遍纔明文意，好蠢，但真是莫奈何！不過又好值得喎 (好!) (好!) (好!)
好彩KC兄嗰啲，我一睇就明，重識笑添！ (表情23)

感謝 (表情33)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1794 )
日期：2013/03/01 23:25
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 似乎仲有人唔知右下角個士巴拿符號係可用泥修改！

按一按士巴拿！

出了一頁，可輸入密碼！

就可任改唔嬲矣！ (表情7)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1795 )
日期：2013/03/02 09:12
留言者：辛奇士

徐姿小姐：

若牵涉理论的，小弟只会认真处理。亦想深入浅出，奈何唔知点写。若系吹水亦想嬉笑怒骂，奈何并无如Kc兄般的语言表达能力。

小弟1787帖的【字正腔圆】结论就是1.【字正腔圆】是京腔的说法，转化至粤曲特性的配合应容许修正。字露比字正更合粤曲。2.字有时为了腔而稍改平仄但不能离韵(若离则字义不保)。3.不要墨守教条。任何规范都要经得起推敲。小弟自学曲第一天起便是麻烦友，因为乜都问一飧；搅到导师头都大，同学发晒盟挣(阻住学曲)。

讲过讨论此题目系挤牙膏方式。事关大是大非必须严肃，每次讲太多闷死人。同时自己唔知岩唔岩，讲少少便於曲友们作针对性发言。
(沉思) (表情6)

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