粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1508 ) 日期：2013/02/05 23:47 留言者：寸草心 辛兄,淋番起果時D近距离銀幕真虐待,前排隻手机符模得倒;坐正前算好彩,乜你睇到斗鸡眼咩!? 我就争D变"斗鸡眼"相反果种.........即一粒黑眼珠極左, 另一粒黑眼珠就極右!(SORRY,唔識專有医学名詞!) Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1509 ) 日期：2013/02/06 05:02 留言者：TL 奇士兄、四姑娘： 這裡的中樂或西樂如果是指樂器而言，於伴奏質量並無意義。在粵曲伴奏中，中西樂器混雜使用已有八十年歷史。 追腔只是頭架師傅的責任。其他樂師只要跟著去，不搶頭突尾就可以了。 曲本有譜，有助於樂隊的整齊一律。冇譜唔識玩的師傅梗系唔夠料啦，不過你都想棚音樂齊啲，係唔係？ 至於用簡譜還是工尺譜，效果上沒有什麼分別。棚面音樂好不好，與用什麼譜一厘關係都冇。 在美加地區現有近百歲的師傅，追新曲的確難為渠咯。呢一輩叔父視奏能力先天不足，加上回糖甩蒂，，再加力衰眼朦，能坐幾個鐘幾難得矣。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1510 ) 日期：2013/02/06 08:44 留言者：Kc 早晨！早晨！ 已拋離千二點咯！應該越拋越遠！向四萬進發！ 粵曲好玩之處，其中一項，是唱家同音樂頭架，鑼查師傅互動！ 唱工可在唱工處，指揮音樂，想唔要先鋒子，加兩個孭仔字食住頭架！ 唔想頭架起序，又可食住頭板開口.等佢冇得加序！ 有時可趨快,有時又墜慢，大家互動下!: 開度，壓度，全部係唱工的訓練！ 玩到大家你來我往！ 有料唱家加有料頭架，就認真好玩矣！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1511 ) 日期：2013/02/06 09:34 留言者：TL 所謂默契然也。如果一班人都有咁上下，拋開工尺，撚之潤之，樂何如哉！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1512 ) 日期：2013/02/06 09:42 留言者：辛奇士 寸草心兄： 哈哈！您果味系咪叫做射厘眼？ 众曲友： 今日小弟开始同大家一齐探讨「字正腔圆」呢个系人都讲但人言人殊又或者唔知系乜东东既伟大曲艺辞。拿，约法三章：一齐即系唔剩系小弟讲，要大家都参与，讲同问都欢迎。探讨即系未有结论，小弟不知彼岸何在，当容许不同意见，不必要扮高深亦无需怕幼稚，没有绝对既岩与错。讨论期可能长，剩讲一个题目孤弦寡索乏味；所以小弟每日只讲少少，并打正招牌以资识别也。 曲为何用？说事与抒情而已。字为说事，腔为抒情。有字无腔则寡(闷)，有腔无字则罔(唔知讲乜)。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1513 ) 日期：2013/02/06 13:29 留言者：知少少 四姑娘曲友，唱口用简谱与用工尺谱系应该有区别的，简谱时值控制严格，工尺谱宽松自由度大更可以拉多两粒音。现在还发现有个奥妙，在内地用简谱教学生唱曲多年~~声紧紧不够味道，而试用工尺教一段课程，学生普遍唱来有粤曲味了许多。这实验就带来一个信息，学基本功练音准时值就用简谱，基本功好了再用工尺习唱可唱功与味道双赢。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1514 ) 日期：2013/02/06 11:22 留言者：辛奇士 知少少曲友： 您的回帖空白处很多。 从严到宽，所有功夫大多如此。功力再深既，曲纸梆簧无工尺，只有曲式。正呀是(查笃撑)！海阔由鱼跃，天高任乌飞呀...也！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1515 ) 日期：2013/02/06 14:32 留言者：Kc 小弟知道有位頭架老師，教學唱歌的學生，把學生自己唱腔先用工尺記低，然後去唱！ 但通常唱歌之人，多數是先識唱，但未必知音律！ 唱到咁上下，至會知道，原來每句唱詞是對應音律！ 而最先引吭高歌，也是先先不知缐口為何物！ 到同音樂一夾，才知有唔啱key的問題！ 什麼缐面，缐底，正缐，反缐，尺五缐，什麼c20 搞到頭都大埋！ 曾和一個資深唱家，唱得也有D名氣，但原來此唱家唔止唔識工尺，更不懂線口！ 只憑自已經驗同耳軌，已可唱出彩虹！ 如此一來，令小弟深思，對一個唱口而言，有冇需要先教佢地記譜，然後去唱呢？咁教學生會唔會是倒果為因呢？ 因為能夠一聽唱家唱，而拍和出啱音啱線，似乎是頭架師父的基本功！不是唱口必備的基本要求噃！ 然乎？不然乎？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1516 ) 日期：2013/02/06 13:11 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： 单凭经验既，唱梗自己腔无变化，唔识处理经验以外既新挑战，容易产生瓶颈，倾向固步自封以保名。好唔好自己谂啦！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1517 ) 日期：2013/02/06 14:38 留言者：Kc 小弟的疑惑是先學記譜才去唱先？ 還是先學唱得有板有眼，才進一步去學記譜呢？ 又記譜是不是每一個唱口的必要要求呢？ 小弟見䀆不少唱得之人，皆不懂記譜也！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1518 ) 日期：2013/02/06 14:44 留言者：寸草心 听聞上一代唱家哎句合尺比師父較綫! 綫面綫底唔关佢地事! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1519 ) 日期：2013/02/06 14:59 留言者：Kc 大老倌就冇線面線底，因為成棚音樂要拍和佢！ 聽講新馬係唱D調（？） 大陸棚面唱C調！ 香港做戲棚面唱Csharp! 我地上深圳就唱C20! 到小弟天下無敵！就要成棚師傅較我個key唱！ 唯是小弟仲未搞清唱緊乜key? 果度大劑！

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