粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6950 )
日期：2014/05/23 15:30
留言者：老三

新曲兄：老三是怕热而大汗一族，估计是把水份消耗了的渠道之一吧。街唱时间远比曲骚长，街唱一年多，老三去如厕的次数，一只手掌可数齐…。

言归另题：老三前面有言，曾讲有二个问题，是不同意邓志驹的观点的，老三若不发表自己的观点，老牌手机又会指责老三：虎头蛇尾、雷声大雨点小…了。

一，邓志驹所讲，唱曲要有“味”，就要“字正腔圆”、“字正腔纯”。
老三并不认同。老三认为：唱曲要有“味”，和唱曲要“字正腔圆”、“字正腔纯”，是两回事。唱曲要“字正腔圆”、“字正腔纯”是唱曲的正确基础技术。而唱曲要有“味”，是另一高深许多的“技术”。老三有一半认同潘千千所讲的：增加装饰腔会使唱曲更有味之说(大约如此)。而另一半，老三认为是千万别把增加的装饰腔，只用一个共鸣位去鸣唱，而是要用尽量多的共鸣位去轮番唱这“串”增加的装饰腔，方能形成一股“韵味”。

(待续)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6951 )
日期：2014/05/23 15:58
留言者：老三

续上

二，邓志驹对于所提问的问题：为何唱到頚根都似豆角？怎克服？
邓志驹大意讲：要懂吸气，由其是尾尾的唱字句，不吸足气便容易使后来“頚根起豆角”…。

老三不同意这讲法，老三认为：唱曲唱到“頚根起豆角”，这完全是唱者用錯力而已。就好像我们跑步，用的应该是腿力，却去抓紧了拳头。是一个浪费了力量和移錯了注意力的双錯误行为，轻则唱曲质素未展其长，重则走进了唱曲的死胡同，永难进迏高水平。

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6952 )
日期：2014/05/23 16:45
留言者：寸草心

跑步, 雖主要靠双脚, 但要全身配合. 觀測世運賽者跑步姿势差不多一致, 連眼神都一样. 扭身扭势实衰收尾!
唱曲, 雖主要靠声氣, 但要全身配合. 全身姿势放鬆,声音經各共鳴系統調教,美化音質後輸出. 靠喉嚨哎实難听!

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6953 )
日期：2014/05/24 09:51
留言者：新凡风

愚见：
1。唱曲用气息不用死力。说用力的有两种可能：a.方法有误，辛苦外观如满头大汗、颈生豆角、脸赤、缩颈、扛肩、昂头等多与此有关。b.混淆了力的字义。劲（内家）托气、气载声。劲比力（外家）准确。

2。过就不及，随便增加装饰音有时会弄巧反拙。腔太密难以消化，兼影响露字；太疏则寡，如饮开水。区区认为韵味就是法口美、跌宕美、情感美、声调美和人物美，透过粤曲特有的程式的综合表现。字正腔圆／纯在五美之内但决不是全部。曲与歌最大的不同在程式。太多时候曲友将唱曲称为唱歌，这是降格的羊牯叫法，女姐便很反对。粤语流行曲、时代曲、欧西流行曲本质是歌不是曲，粤曲反是。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6954 )
日期：2014/05/23 22:21
留言者：老三

对于丹田气，很多人忽略了它又或触摸不到它。这对唱曲水平的提升，必定是一堵难越的高墙。若然明知自己尚未越过这堵墙，倘或可理解，日后多加鉆研和努力，可能破关在望的。但老三眼见甚多的曲友，是自以为丹田气己是掌握了，和自以为在这方面无需进修了…。但，继续…继续是那么的牛奶咀…，那么的没长进…，有时真的为此气结…。 (表情41)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6955 )
日期：2014/05/24 09:16
留言者：新凡风

老三曲兄：

丹田不易练，易练非丹田。好多曲友入行时已到／过中年，又无师父指导，不可能与有幼功底的专业比并。当然，知比不知好；去不到也不会走错路。最弊是不知以为知，未到以为到，还到处教人；结果是......揽住死！

区区认为邓访最大的启发是贡杆支撑的论点：音越高、气越长、支撑点越低。现实中很多曲友与此是背道而驰的。

(表情21) (表情16) (表情37)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6956 )
日期：2014/05/24 00:09
留言者：上中下

哈哈哈
新兄 6955
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6957 )
日期：2014/05/24 00:11
留言者：老三

张家辉年近五仔，都可以练成筋肉人。比对下练丹田、练高子、练…，都不是高难度了…。问题是方法对否而已…。无錯，揽住死就最乞人憎…。

老三对贡杆支撑的论点，哈哈，又反而过不到电，无啥着灯呵。新曲兄有什么灵醒之悟，讲出来分享分享丫…。 (大笑)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6958 )
日期：2014/05/24 08:04
留言者：Kc

早晨！早晨！

曲藝之道，首重聲音的操控，能用腹肌控制氣息，乃一大關鍵！

各家說法，下格力，丹田力，腹式呼吸，橫隔膜呼吸！

更甚有各類玄之又玄的說法，令受眾疑惑！

因無科學理論支撐，更有各家各派之不同做法！

令其法神秘莫測！

更有以師門奧秘！非親不傳！

更屬可惡！

所以鄧志駒先生肯站出來，用簡單易明的言語，

不以行內人專業，唬嚇曲藝愛好者！

提供簡單易學之道！

難能可貴，值得KC再讚！ (好!) (好!) (好!) (拍掌)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6959 )
日期：2014/05/24 09:44
留言者：麥友成

早晨！眼前清風明月， (大笑)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6960 )
日期：2014/05/24 22:46
留言者：表哥

大哥成, 妳未 zzzz 醒吖............. (表情30)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6961 )
日期：2014/05/24 14:19
留言者：朱事丁

應該係思覚失調 (閉嘴)

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