粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4168 ) 日期：2013/08/16 14:50 留言者：諾基亞 於唱者無大壞處，只有不能如意演唱一條耳。但不利於聽者則有數條 粵曲一枝野閑閑地要十零分鍾，企咁耐腳軟，而且唔熱就凍，空氣穢濁 流行音樂以節拍，動感，熱鬧，場景氣氛為主要，而粵曲通常是細緻，舒發情感為主要，街頭環境太過嘈吵複雜，不利於欣賞粵曲 粵曲k碟不是甚麼寶貴資產，任誰也可得到，而且k碟已經經過度腔，原唱版本質素甚高，而街唱者只能據唱片來唱，可謂等而下之，則觀眾何不回家聽k碟？街唱吸引力何在？ 況且任何歌曲都雖要用聲，此道非粵曲最優，而流行曲還兼重音樂伴奏，粵曲精於「追腔拍和」，若表演時不能演繹這重點，則較流行曲下之矣。 我反而覺得陶先生的論點甚有創意，猶其係微型粵曲。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4169 ) 日期：2013/08/16 15:11 留言者：蛇仔明 诺兄： 粤曲街唱不会比三无(无声、无腔、无表情)既会堂生乐演唱效果差，反而更街坊。鬼唔知生乐好咩！边个打本呢？ 都系个句，兄台何不亲临其境，尤胜想当然也。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4170 ) 日期：2013/08/16 15:43 留言者：一丁 多謝 joe兄 視頻 ，比去唔到文化街o既網友，都有現場一樣感覺！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4171 ) 日期：2013/08/16 17:28 留言者：老三 新凡风兄，DVD机播CD应没问题的，倒是小弟希望尽量让观众也能看到字幕…，记得自从有了同步放K碟画面的TV之后，观者的反应是相当正面的…。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4172 ) 日期：2013/08/16 17:50 留言者：waterboat 正合「陶先生」期望否？ 立網網友聚會區，一個有生樂伴奏的粵曲演唱機會《樂師研習組》火速成立，特點〈一〉生樂伴奏，相信不止得一兩件樂器〈二〉在會堂演唱，無騷擾〈三〉相信不會太多觀眾，但日後未知會不會有影片上網，但也不算拋頭露面〈四〉要花每位五十元，不能不花一分一亳。 雖然現招頭架、及要求樂師、唱口報名，但已鐵定下星期五舉行，可想而知是胸有成竹，籌備多時。此廉宜的操曲、樂師互動練習，是參與街唱的另一選擇。 個人認為，若要訓練面向群眾之膽量及吸引其他人認識粵曲，街唱較合適。但要練習夾唱音樂，則參加樂師研習組是不錯的選擇，當然你更可考慮進行「雙併」活動哩。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4173 ) 日期：2013/08/16 18:08 留言者：不要自我陶醉 昨日火遮眼，現在想到，有一樣很重要。 用商業的卡拉OK碟在公眾地方演唱會唔會侵犯版權？ 據細佬所知，如在私人地方唱，就不會，另外卡拉OK房已付了版權費，亦無問題。 同意手機兄講法，唱粵曲K有D似唱二手歌，但又未必跟原唱同一水準，未必吸引到外人停步，反會令外人看出係柴娃娃式的自我娛樂。 對於任何可提升粵曲界水準的行動，例如樂師訓練，細佬一向支持。不過，細佬的水準只係在收聽方面，唔會唱唔會玩。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4174 ) 日期：2013/08/16 19:05 留言者：老三 老三从来没有想过、也并不打算理会“版權”的问题…。 几千首曲…，无雷公甘多“版主”…。 “版權”费不过一蚊几毫…，一个月才开档唱一次…，来收“版權”费？谁加此低能？ 街唱时代曲，就不关“版權”费事？ 仲有，老三从未听闻宙街的粤曲档要付“版權”费…，甘难既野都比你想到，西利！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4175 ) 日期：2013/08/16 18:57 留言者：寸草心 E家D交流就似樣好多! 街唱与室內生樂都有好處与掣肘. 室內生樂之甜酸苦辣曲友己熟知, 街唱就多得三哥領先嘗試, 係初生搖籃, 可以評論, 但似乎未好判斷! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4176 ) 日期：2013/08/16 23:13 留言者：Joe 從開始爭拗至今, 話題已經開始轉變成為怎樣搞好街唱, 非常好!!! 就對粵曲的結構(梆黃, 小曲)等有所認識而言, "自我陶醉" 兄實乃圈中之人, 請君無謂再多生事端, 適可而止了吧! 諾基亞兄提出了兩個非常重要的問題, 小弟就自己的看法, 回應一下, 望能更利於 今後以街唱形式推廣粵曲的發展. 1. 為什麼街唱可以推廣粵曲? 非常簡單, 要推廣一樣產品, 最基本的方法就是賣廣告, 大家千方百計, 費心費力, 不正正就是大賣廣告嗎? 2. 街唱有什麼吸引力吸引觀眾呢? 一定有, 人的天性是好奇的, 不管你是粵曲愛好者與否, 同好者, 必駐足也(不必理 會), 後者呢, 多數也會稍為駐足, 看看發生了怎麼一回事, 及至知道了有人在唱粵曲, 繼續停留與否, 都無所謂, 足矣! 我們每天都有可能通過各種不同的渠道, 收看到不少廣告, 沒用之時, 置之不理, 到了有需時, 或多或少都會想起它.... 街唱的目的, 只要能給人們留下一個印象, 一個什麼印象呢? 在小弟對粵曲粵劇等藝術未有認識之前, 總以為這門藝術是一種舞台藝術, 高不 可攀, 及至上了 "阿立網" 之後, 逐步認識到不是那回事, 人人都可參予, 簡單得 像下棋一樣, 棋藝(曲藝)高低不重要, 最重要的是參予, 夾唱時歡天喜地, 優哉悠哉, 師兄師姐表演時, 可以站到一旁, 觀摩學習.... 各位師兄師姐, 自上立網之後, 小弟獲益良多, 在曲藝學習方面, 進步不少! 從不會唱粵曲, 到基本掌握.... 這個過程, 是怎樣產生的呢? 始於瀏覽立網, 始於網友相助! 現在大家所要做的, 就是要把 "粵曲" 這一藝術推廣開去, 讓其他人開始認識到, 香港有人在唱粵曲, 並且為數不少, 粵曲不是舞台上的大老倌所尊美的, 不論何人 不論何地, 都可以大唱特唱, 就跟下棋一樣. (No. 4156)的言論, 是錯之又錯, 大錯特錯, 千萬不要因此而誤入歧途, 什麼環境, 不過癮等, 這不是街唱的目的. 作曲諷刺時弊更是荒天下之大謬! 上帖有些提及到, 人家唱流行曲伴以樂器, 場面墟冚, 那又如何, 人家在賣唱, 又或想借此而一舉成名, 難道我們也要穿紅戴綠, 大鑼大鼓, 跟他們搶客, 與他們 對抗嗎? 這樣不好! 雖然, 也許我們今天只取得小成, 但積少可以成多, 成效有多大不重要, 有就好! 經過了幾次街唱以後, 其實大家已經開始有些頭緒, 提出了不少很好的意見, 只是不知道該如何執行, 由誰來負責而已. 小弟有一點意見想講講, 應否在今後的街唱錄影中加進 "阿立網" 的網址, 讓更多人認識 "阿立網", 上網瀏覽, 從而加深對粵曲的認識, 藉此而觸發學唱粵曲 的興趣, 此其一. 另外, 每月街唱進行其間, 可否以 BANNER 的形式展示 "阿立網" 的網址並作出 介紹. 這兩點都需要立哥同意, 小弟未知可行否? Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4177 ) 日期：2013/08/16 19:59 留言者：新凡风 重申支持任何方式发展曲艺，不管目的、水准如何，多一个比少一个好！ 夸谈无补，行动比斋讲强一百倍。为了支持街唱及众曲友，区区正在撰写一首小曲式的贺曲，暂名「我钟意街唱」，请稍待。 老三曲兄： 有画面固然好。只是合街唱的粤曲DVD不算多，CD音乐版配合作为帮补应该可以。前提一定要是家传户晓的经典金曲。譬如说《万恶淫为首之乞食》如何？ 担心版权费真太杞人忧天矣！版权人只对产生大商业利益的演出有兴趣抽佣。比鸡碎更湿碎的街唱收入，派人到现场观察的交通费亦未够！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4178 ) 日期：2013/08/16 19:57 留言者：不要自我陶醉 支持新凡風的新作。 立網咁多高手，或可參考細佬“微型粵曲”的構思，不然只係翻唱人地d歌，仲要係唱K，吸引唔到幾多人。 推廣粵曲，可能要在型式上著手，例如以流行曲做外表，入面包含梆黃原素，吸引從未聽過粵曲的人。 細佬識字少，牛睥氣，會彈唔會唱，呢兩日得罪各位，唔好意思。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4179 ) 日期：2013/08/16 20:39 留言者：老三 新凡风兄所言合理：“前提一定要是家传户晓的经典金曲。譬如说《万恶淫为首之乞食》如何？”，大家未唱己几乎知道歌词，字幕已经全不重要…。 「我钟意街唱」，新凡风兄真劲！文滔武略，作埋歌仔…

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