粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7288 ) 日期：2014/06/18 18:29 留言者：路過 找到了關兄在2010年7月在<新馬曲迷尋知音>中的帖文" 琵琶行当然是一首好诗，但潘一凡撰的琵琶行却不是一首好曲，因为潘扭曲甚至强奸了白居易的意思，全曲写来，除了堆砌以外，(什么赠你百两银，好待你抚养孩儿等等，全是一派胡言！）就是媚俗，粗糙不堪！你比较一下，搞清楚啦！ 把仔字改成濟字，是文过饰非的说法，就算如此，只会愈描愈黑，衰多二钱重，除了语意不通之外，还进一步强奸了白居易．罪过！罪过！ 根据潘一凡其他的作品来看，潘不是一个粗鄙的撰曲家，把 ”知音人” 改成 ”知音人仔” 或 ”知音人濟” 当是新马率性而为之作，这固然凸显了新马一贯粗鄙、自以为是、爱耍小聪明的浅陋作风，但琵琶行的失败主要是潘的失误，大方向写错了，新马的粗鄙已无足轻重，最多不过是阿兰嫁阿瑞． 見習生讲得好，垃圾出在大師的手上還是垃圾！ 当曲友们肆意批评新曲，感叹新不如旧的时候，有没有自我审视一番，自己是否也是新不如旧呢？自己是否真的如父亲辈们懂得欣赏呢？ 西谚有云：有什么样的观众，就有什么样的表演者， 现代人文学修养愈来愈差，欣赏能力下降（看看小桃的理解能力，Vincent陶醉知音人仔的粗鄙味道，就可见一斑！）又怎能祈望撰曲家写出什么好曲？因为就算偶然写出好曲大家也不懂的欣赏了！ 开口埋口就说新不如旧，看看陈自强的同是天涯沦落人，比较一下潘一凡的琶琶行，感觉陈可是后来居上啊！ 另一篇: 新马迷啊，新马迷，你知唔知我哋讲紧乜嘢？更重要的是你知唔知你讲紧乜啊？点解你九唔答八，牛头不对马嘴嘅？ 唉！！呆前世做错咗乜嘢，点解今世喺咁罚呆同人哋阿妈教仔嘅？唉，教埋呢次，再喺咁呆唔玩了！ 先讲解一下白居易写琵琶行嘅真正目的，佢喺感叹自己怀才不遇，琵琶女是他塑造出来的一个人物，（当然也可以当她真正存在，这无伤大雅，）白居易借她来呻下自己命苦咋！ 上述所讲，相信大家都知道，但系白居易呻到什么程度，相信大家就不一定具体清楚，至少潘一凡先生就不知道，所以才会撰出那首如此不伦不类的琵琶行． 先看一下琵琶行的序，里面提到：”余出官二年，恬然自安，感斯人言，是夕始觉有迁谪意。”用现代口语讲就是白居易被贬官两年，开始还大安旨意，没有觉得什么样，直到那夜遇见琵琶女，听她讲述自己身世，才知道大镬！ 咁点解开始时会大安旨意？后来点解知道大镬？究竟又有几大镬？且让呆娓娓道来，诸君请听啊！ 呵呵！开始时白居易大安旨意系因为他还以为有机会复职，被贬虽然失望，但还有希望回京，所以就恬然自安，当度假，但看到琵琶女的身世后，才猛然醒悟，原来自己也是今生无望回京复职，最大镬是绝望，而不是失望．要知道绝望和失望是完全两回事，因为它决定白居易和琵琶女相交之夜的说话内容和定调！ 点证明白居易是绝望而不是失望呢？ 大家都知道琵琶行是把白居易与琵琶女的思想感情融而为一，说白居易也是说琵琶女，叹琵琶女也是叹白居易，二人命运相同、息息相关。 两人都是有二才，一是小才，另一是大才，两人俱是因其小才而被知遇，但可惜最重要的大才未获赏识． 琵琶女的小才是她的样貌，大才是她的琵琶技艺，白居易的小才是他的文才，大才是他的经国济世之能． 琵琶女虽然琵琶技艺出色，名属教坊第一部，但她为众人赏识却是因为她出众的样貌，所以待得她年老色衰，也就门前冷落车马稀，只能嫁作商人妇。而当她再年老色衰，商人也就重利轻别离，冷落了她． 白居易因为文采出众，所以能晋身仕途，但官职低微，总未能尽展才华，还因此而获罪被贬． 琵琶女的年老色衰是不可逆转的，所以她也就不可能再被赏识，尽管她的技艺是如此出众，折射到白居易身上，（当时白是四十五岁，迈入老年，）在别人眼中也已是江郎才尽，所以白居易猛然醒觉有迁谪意，而不是在度假． 当然所谓的绝望，其实也就是死心，但所谓哀莫大于心死，一个人心死，同失望是大有不同，失望后，还会有重新振作的机会，自己失望，会自我安慰，别人失望，也会说一些积极的说话去开解他，让他重新振作，但如果是绝望，则只会自我放纵甚至放弃，别人绝望，也不太能讲什么积极性的说话了． 举例说，寡母婆死仔，（还过咗更年期）你会否叫她振作重新再嫁做人？再积极你也只能劝她节哀顺变了罢？同理，琵琶女的年老色衰，不可能逆转，还嫁了个重利轻别离的商人，谁还会指望她日后能遇知音？白居易会否开解她他日自有知音人仔, 自會解卿心, 好待妳嘅憂怨歌聲, 唱出了人間恨？（呵呵！一个知音都不能再求，更不要说濟濟一堂的人濟了！） 事实上诗中末段也说的很清楚，“莫辞更坐弹一曲，为君翻作琵琶行。”白居易很清楚自己和她都已经是绝望了，这世上，白居易的唯一知音就是琵琶女，琵琶女当晚以后也不可能再遇知音，所以他们什么安慰话都没有说，也不用说，所谓同是天涯沦落人，相逢何必曾相识。而是相互以自己的才华尽量娱乐对方，分离前尽量满足对方，白居易方面则让琵琶女再弹一曲，在琵琶女那面，白则为她作琵琶行留念． 所以琵琶行是一首绝望曲，甚至是一首安魂曲，可潘一凡写来，却充满希望，什么赠你百两银，好让你抚养孩儿……，什么他日自有知音人仔, 自會解卿心, 好待妳嘅憂怨歌聲, 唱出了人間恨……完全是捉错用神，说他一派胡言，并不为过！ ＊＊＊ 人仔一词，本身并无不妥，可以是昵称，也可以是俗称，没有什么所谓肤浅不肤浅，所以说新马肤浅是因为他在不适当的场合使用不适当的词汇，个人相信，琵琶行潘一凡的原词是”他日自有知音人, 解卿心, 好待妳嘅憂怨歌聲, 唱出了人間恨．”其中知音人后是有一个音却没有字，新马唱的时候觉得憋脚，所以自己加多个仔字，既顺音乐，又觉得意，但却不知道人仔不配合白居易当时的身份和心情，语意、语调都不对，所以说他见识肤浅，不是人仔一词本身肤浅． 殊不知不管是知音人，还是知音人仔，均不应出自白居易当时之口，是撰曲的先写大错了，新马是后唱小错，所以前文说是阿兰嫁阿瑞． 男烧衣：”舊時有個少爺話同佢上岸，佢話要揀個多情人仔至兩相登。”此话出自大相之口，语意、语调都非常恰当，所以是佳句！曲友是引喻失义了！ 唉，码呢篇鬼嘢码字码到抽筋，大家明就好，不明也罢，呆唔再回应了， 本来以为Vincent水平好一点，原来也不过如此，算了！不说了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7289 ) 日期：2014/06/18 20:05 留言者：麥友成 出過show改幾句咁啦，打死都唔唱知音人仔~ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7290 ) 日期：2014/06/18 20:16 留言者：辛奇士 Guan公： 公是尊称，不可能有隐喻。 《琵琶行》：知音人後要拖个仄声字至合上下句规格。嫌仔字俗可改为士。细佬认为呢枝曲在潘一帆既水准黎讲属行货级，但唔系垃圾。只要老细(新马)收货，又何必花时间去深入研究呢？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7291 ) 日期：2014/06/18 20:44 留言者：魚仔 恐怖份子呀！快走呀！好驚！ 我是講昨晚發了一個夢而已，不要罵人呀。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7292 ) 日期：2014/06/18 20:49 留言者：一己 可憐，原來作曲是'只要老細收貨'。 看來還是錢作怪，說什麼藝術、文化。。。 中計！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7293 ) 日期：2014/06/18 22:38 留言者：guan 金山橙， 呵呵！原来Guan公是尊称，你唔讲清楚，呆真系唔敢咁諗囉，乜得咁恭维呀？不过你唔使同呆解释，得闲同你老友风炉讲下啦，咪过佢周时单单打打，说什么呆是马后炮，爱摆叔父款，话佢知佢的说话好恶听咯。 你的问题呆会在解释女腔的时候一起讲埋，无用急，耐心等候，好帽？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7294 ) 日期：2014/06/18 22:40 留言者：guan 路過兄， 唔该晒！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7295 ) 日期：2014/06/19 04:57 留言者：諾基亞 老關，同你拗頸個新馬迷就是我。當年你以文學歷史觀點來評價此曲，某非常拜服。但到今日還是認為潘氏此曲，轉接及整合亦頗優美，還是二腔遮六丑，某不肯定。雖非琵琶行之本意，觀作稗官野史，借題發揮無不可也。「同是」一曲，感激昂太多，聽落HIGHHIGH地，幾近小武，若原意乃絕望，則只能謂詞好而編曲唱口不好矣。又此曲雖忠白居易原意，但曲詞頗露痕跡雕硺，TL曲兄說中有妙筆，可能是某守舊，卻只感到大陸味甚重，還是應當作是一種風格罷。而潘氏曲，像南音吟哦平淡序事，私見反覺順耳適意。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7296 ) 日期：2014/06/19 07:22 留言者：麥友成 早晨~ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7297 ) 日期：2014/06/19 09:40 留言者：蛇仔明 关佬： 网上怀疑你系石九公充班有几个，包括细佬，唔觉新兄有份。你系年纪大记忆有问题定系有大食大，拉埋佢落水？叔父系红裤仔出身，你梗唔系。你想人尊敬，一系忠厚的，谂你做唔到，D大佬同你反晒面；一系证明有料到。系吖，做裁判好易，自己度埋例重易！要细佬服既，唔使大声，玩几套拳来睇下！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7298 ) 日期：2014/06/19 11:30 留言者：路過 較為同意手機兄的觀點。 陳小漢的唱腔，加上大陸式的伴奏，雕硺味太重。陳的其它曲亦如是，並非單指同是一曲。 忽發奇想，如由尹自重拍和這首“同是”，聽法又可能會唔同左。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.7299 ) 日期：2014/06/19 11:36 留言者：麥友成 人係會死嘅，好嘅一餐，唔好嘅又一餐~

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