粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3219 ) 日期：2013/06/13 19:03 留言者：辛奇士 边枝小曲有以下咁过瘾： 担番口大雪茄咋，充生晒认经理；捞世界要醒目，一於当既把戏。。。仲要搞埋跳舞音乐，出齐木琴、电结他、爵士鼓、沙锤先至够醒架麻！ 究竟小曲名系乜？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3220 ) 日期：2013/06/13 19:58 留言者：路過 青梅竹馬 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3221 ) 日期：2013/06/13 20:31 留言者：路過 1963年節約用水宣傳歌： 漁歌晚唱 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3222 ) 日期：2013/06/14 01:57 留言者：TL 網上搜得一點線索，供路過兄參考： （資料摘自百年粵樂粵曲名家作品演唱會, 研究及文案:李少恩 2012） [村曉]..林浩然、 [悼殤詞]..陳文達、[鳥投林]..易劍泉、[連環扣]..嚴老烈改編 [婢女淚]..盧家熾、[三疊愁]..胡文森。 [龍飛鳯舞]..朱兆良、[陌頭柳色]..何少霞、[娛樂昇平]..丘鶴儔、 [雪底遊魂]..陳冠卿、[禪院鐘聲]..崔蔚林。 [午夜遙聞鐵馬聲]...何與年。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3223 ) 日期：2013/06/14 07:42 留言者：辛奇士 有一枝好得意，上世纪五十年代唱到开巷，由芳艳芬、李海泉入碟既《唔嫁》，由林浩然作曲、王粤生撰词。这类轻快跳舞曲，实为後来粤语流行歌(无板式不应叫曲)之滥觞也。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3224 ) 日期：2013/06/14 10:58 留言者：青玉案 TL 老先生: 回應舊帖(3043) 先生認為(栽梅賞雪) 寫得太粗心. 覺得既然” 雪花飛, 風更勁” “今夜憾無圓月影” 何以即景吟得出 “待踏馬蹄清夜月” 來. 因此你不主張會友唱此曲. 並強調這是唯一的一首你叫人別唱的曲子. 我覺得那詩句” 待踏馬蹄清夜月” 可以指是一彎眉月, 或者半邊明月的. 可能就是因為少了個圓月, 才有”歸時休放燭花紅”這上句! 月色濛濛卻捨棄照明的燭光不用, 乘著馬車或馬兒走在幽幽的路上. 意境多優美! (栽梅賞雪) 不是寫得粗心, 而是唱得粗心. 短短八句詞語, 陳笑風唸錯了數個字. 聞說他學歷甚高, 遠居其他粵劇藝人之上. 而且對粵藝非常執著認真. 竟發生這種錯 誤, 令人費解. 亦可能是撰曲者蔡衍棻的疏忽, 無論怎樣, 倆人都該打! 我喜愛此曲因為題材不落俗套, 沒有哭哭啼啼男女生離死別之苦情, 有的只是一股淡淡的感時傷國之無奈. 我久居加國, 一個雪鄉之地, 唸著描寫晶瑩清麗雪景的曲詞, 另有一番感受. 豈是先生你胡亂妄加草率評語之人所能了解. 替我拍和(栽梅賞雪) 的頭架就是崔妙芝女士的頭架. 那個被你們在隔壁議論紛紛的音樂師傅! 他看譜能力強, 記憶力高超, 音色奇準, 可能戲曲經驗稍缺, 但多年來都是多城的首席頭架. 我喜愛唱新曲, 尤其是冷門的, 少人唱的, 他雖然從未聽聞過亦可以玩得頭頭是道. 其他頭架沒有這個能耐. 塞翁失馬, 禍福不知, 假如沒有這個拍和頭架的伴奏, 我早早已完全脫離這個烏煙瘴氣的粵曲圈. 不過亦失去一個認識, 學習, 中國文學, 文化, 文字, 歷史和音樂等揉合在一起的結晶的機會. 你說(栽梅賞雪) 是你唯一的一首你叫人別唱的曲子, 不知先生對下列各曲有何意見? 雷鳴金鼓戰笳聲 大合唱: “春眠不覺曉, 處處聞啼鳥, 夜來風雨聲, 花落知多少.” 這四句曲詞是唐詩, 但歌曲故事背景是戰國時代, 此曲犯了唐詩秦用的錯誤. 王粲登樓 旦唱詞: “獨見君人靈神朗, 鶴立群鶏中俊秀.” 撰曲人蔡衍棻大話西遊. 根據史實, 王粲身材短小, 長相丑陋, 故而仕途不順. 其他曲目如史可法浴血揚州, 建文帝魂繫襄陽, 關公月下釋刁嬋, 張巡殺妾饗三軍等等, 都是極度血腥殘酷壞意識的作品. 如果唱工或伴樂差勁, 更不值一聽. 還有絕唱胡笳十八拍和新霸王別姬, 兩曲都因情理不合而遭人詬病. 不知先生何以獨惡(李後主之栽梅賞雪)? Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3225 ) 日期：2013/06/14 11:02 留言者：路過 ＜唔嫁＞用的小曲，名稱是＜百鳥和鳴＞，由林浩然作曲，是三十年代中後期的作品。 ＜村曉＞亦係三十年代中後期的作品，原唱片用二胡，色士風，吐林必模仿豬牛雞鴨的叫聲，好好聽很得意。林浩然同期亦有一首類似的＜農村樂＞。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3226 ) 日期：2013/06/15 00:49 留言者：蛇仔明 「归时休放烛花红，待踏马蹄清夜月。」系 李後主名句，当然正！细佬理解正是一轮明月当空照，见得到路，故不要点灯笼，免破坏天然美境。无论如何，这两句透出恬静闲适的意境，与雪花飞、风更劲是格路不入的。风雪交加的夜里，如何点得着灯笼？仲放马徐行？梗系急揾地方避风雪喇！TL兄的质疑系成立既。植入当事人名句本身无问题，但如何巧妙融入就要考撰曲人既文字功夫勒。呢方面蔡衍芬差过陈冠卿好多。蔡既曲一向质素唔稳定：瑕疵多，情节与历史不问，但求好唱。流水作业产能高，话之犯驳啦，D碟卖得老细咪开心咯！佢有枝《客途秋恨之魂会盟》系渣曲之尤。有五六成照抄《客途秋恨》，其余夹硬拼凑。好似一群鹤走入一群鸡里边，乱晒笼。 风景诗系无时代限制既，几时都用得。战国时代当然可以春眠不觉晓喇，唔通只用诗三百篇咩？但系如果用後代的制度同人物就唔得。如果战国时套用「秦时明月汉时关」就唔岩，系颠倒左历史时间。《绝唱胡笳十八拍》提到董祀系节度使系错既，因为节度使系唐朝官！但系曲迷照样唔改热唱，因为曲初出时有齐热唱曲四大原素：新、长、易、悲。而家千祈咪用艺术品既眼光黎评新曲呀，佢地系保鲜期短既商品黎架咋！ 戏曲有如电影，系反映现实生活既。有血腥暴力一D都唔奇。钟意得粤曲都成年人喇，唔存在儿童不宜噃。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3227 ) 日期：2013/06/14 18:18 留言者：諾基亞 其實亦無大礙。著明服，戴宋帽，三尺龍泉劍，虎頭白銀槍，持摺扇，金蓮三寸，丞相軍師，縣官員外，番兵女將，由龍虎渡姜公到帝女花，一樣可行。 只要有是理則可，未必須真有是事，戲曲以虛構為美，非用以學術鑽研。只要合劇情曲理，不必苛求文學歷史科學之正偽。此即是「符合印象」，這種代表意義，未有粵劇時已存在，粵劇亦由此而生，翦除乎此，粵劇戲曲便無根蔃矣。 所有帝王將相，恩愛情仇，智愚不肖，都是代表著一種能力，此消彼長，分合變化，而成為一段段故事。所以京劇敲骨求金，莊子所度的白簡，是一個縣官，這是一個像徵意義，誰也知莊子是哲學家，其時亦無縣官，而戲曲中莊子只是代表有法力得道的「仙人」，白簡是代表一個有權力的「凡人」，印象中仙人渡凡人有是事，故以莊子和白簡湊合一個仙度凡人的奇想。 當然用得適合才可，唐詩一首，秦時明月漢時關，此乃敘時，用於戰國，有指晝為夜之誤，但用萬里長征人未還則未見其非，由古代至今美國打伊拉克，萬里長征人未還，都是征人之寫照，用之無礙。若李仙剌目，插盲對眼重可以唱一大段小曲反線中板，滾花，則極不合情理。 戲曲，分明就係幻景人生，色情，暴力，奸偽，亦在所不免也。 今喜見蛇仔明兄之高論。論得妙 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3228 ) 日期：2013/06/14 19:16 留言者：Kc kc去咗兩日濠江，返泥見此處大家發言踴躍！ 話題不乏！ 看來六條煙指日可待矣！ 自古文人多大話！ 戱曲更甚！ 不宜深究！ 正呀是：甘地也曾會西施！ 作者發夢冇人知！ 若果戲夢加稜鏡； 世事紛紛惹質疑！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3229 ) 日期：2013/06/14 19:59 留言者：一家言 　　回复青玉案先生（小姐？），你前段时间问及黎子流现在哪里？今答复如下：他已退休多时，毕竟是年过七旬的老人家了，但仍十分健康和健谈，而且现在还是广州市振兴粤剧基金会的负责人，有机会还在为振兴粤剧曲艺奔走出力，登台唱粤曲也是他的一大爱好。作为顺德人，当然也会时不时就“返顺德”住上一两天，但更多的时候还是在广州市。他为人平易亲民，跟普罗大众都谈得来。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3230 ) 日期：2013/06/15 03:34 留言者：TL 先謝過蛇兄與手機兄。 青玉案網友：口多多，唐突異國情懷，斥之為“胡亂”“草率”，不為過也！不為過也！ 我“妄”評《栽》曲，其由有二。老朽生於蠻荒，老於海角，實在想像不出一個風雪交加同時又靜謐明澈的月夜景色來，此其一。蛇兄已代我解說明白，無庸贅言了。且說其二：後主賞雪夜遊，詞興大發於是即景成吟，待某一觀，通篇竟無只字與雪關聯。記得小學生做文章，如果離題，老師要打零分的。一代詞宗不過爾爾？正是：風雪交加清夜月，粗心豈獨撰曲人！（曲字拗）一笑！ 隔壁議論紛紛，我試作不平鳴，逐叮逐板分析，證明了頭架師傅不但沒錯而且很出色。何以反成罪過？不解。 強調一下，聽了上傳的錄音，尊論與我對該頭架擔綱水平的印象十分吻合。（“音色奇準”的說法有點費解“） 曲詞無論新舊，瑕疵難免。上面兩位網友已有高論，不重複了。 愛惡往往糾纏著很多主觀的因素，有時說不出緣由，有時找出的緣由連自己都覺得很可笑。所以若問何以“獨惡”？不答也罷。

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