粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
任大家隨意發揮吧！ (表情33)
（出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4723 )
日期：2013/10/10 07:27
留言者：KC

(大笑) 早晨！早晨！

新的一天！又講唱歌！

唱歌要唱得好聴，一定要有D天份至得！

如果先天不足（冇靚聲！）後天又失調（基本功學得不好！）

咁就注定唱得不好咯！

至於要普通人要學乜腔物腔，似乎就大想頭D！

當玩就得！當真就自苦了！

龍劍笙也學不了任劍輝！

你話係唔係好難嘞！ (表情34)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4724 )
日期：2013/10/10 07:42
留言者：TL

(微笑)
前幾貼提到雅俗的題目，承手機、奇士等網友回應，未暇即覆。現將我與其他文友在私信中交流的意見（部份）貼上，期指正。
粵劇（包括粵曲，下同）是草根文化，以雅俗共賞為圭臬。這是業界的共識，經眾友各抒高論，一似見全豹之斑。尤其鄧先生之高論，幾近總結了。區區對此向無異議，僅就個人興趣而言，我更願意從另一個角度切入。
縱觀中國藝術發展史，或將範圍縮窄到粵劇發展史，無論大小，每一次引起質變的進步幾乎都可以看見文化人（廣義，包括老倌、樂師或票友中有相當文化者）參與的足跡。而且，縱使識者均以雅俗共賞為推進粵劇的目的，質變的結果終是使粵劇這個草根藝術由俗向雅靠近了一步。即本人在前函中提到的“由簡單到複雜、由粗糙到精緻、由經驗到理論、由零散到體系”，還要加上人文倫理方面的正取向，等等。
常聽到有關某某之後再無大師，或反過來抱怨現下觀眾欣賞水平低下的言論。可見“普及”之外，“提高”也是應該重視的一個方面。如果說雅俗共賞是普及的途徑，那麼什麼是提高的標的？總不能向俗的方向退回去吧？雅俗共賞的目的不就是通過俗的形式來讓大眾欣賞雅嗎？
由俗到雅是藝術發展的必由之路。不過令人相當掃興的是，當一門藝術的發展越來越接近雅的境界，也就是這門藝術將要進博物館的時候。不過這是另一個議題了。 (表情33)
手機、奇士二位大兄指出了俗中有雅或形俗質雅的問題。這與藝術有雅俗高低不同層次的問題不矛盾。二位指的是同時存在於藝術中的雅與俗兩種因素，我說的是兩個層次。就好像我說：人有愚者和智者的分別。二位回應說：愚者也有一得之見。兩個說法互補，並不相斥。 (表情34)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4725 )
日期：2013/10/10 10:09
留言者：麥友成

神級穿梭兩者之間.... (表情24)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4726 )
日期：2013/10/10 11:45
留言者：KC

(大笑) 香港的現況是有一班愛好曲藝的朋友，散見於各專業老師的門下！

曲藝社為數也不少！曲騷就差不多夜夜絃歌不絶！

出騷的消費力也十分可觀！

專業老倌演出為數也不少！

相信有料的音樂師父，老倌都不愁衣食吧？

(表情34)

至於曲藝高低，是否雅俗共賞？

就唔地除囉！

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4727 )
日期：2013/10/10 13:11
留言者：麥友成

老林講藝術與雅俗的一個感受,同吃一隻雞肶,在大餐廳用刀叉吃是雅,在家用手抓來吃是俗,但在家吃就頂癮好多,雞肶嘅烹調就唔講嘞! (表情24)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4728 )
日期：2013/10/10 13:50
留言者：TL

(歡笑)
有意識地放棄在餐廳用刀叉而樂意享受在村舍手抓雞肶，與未見過餐廳困守村舍吃雞的感受是不同的。
所以有返璞歸真之說。
大雅若俗亦是同理。
至於天人合一，則是前貼所云撫無絃琴的境界，“此曲只應天上有”矣。 (表情24)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4729 )
日期：2013/10/10 14:29
留言者：麥友成

頂!見人見智!

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4730 )
日期：2013/10/10 16:04
留言者：KC

(大笑) 講到俗，我就諗起尹光兄嘞！

唔知有冇人夠膽上台唱佢果支‧‧‧‧‧‧

荷里活，有間大酒店‧‧‧‧‧‧

三個肥婆‧‧‧‧‧‧‧ (表情23)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4731 )
日期：2013/10/11 03:51
留言者：諾基亞

tl師傅，原來我對雅俗之判別與你不同，觀上文，方發覺你的雅是指有深度藝術者，而我指的雅只是指在文學文字上，係我九唔搭八。而某是認為戲曲實乃俗文化，文字上本不應過雅，引至三墳五典，則去娛樂遠矣，俗如演義小說，大能醒世感人，通俗則近戲曲本來面目，能從俗中而通至理，妙也。

另外，道隱無名，道之存在不必立於名言，而聲音音樂本亦是道之引伸，規律也。音樂之規律已包含於道(大音)之中，是故大音希聲，正不必以音來名其聲道也。於求食於母言，無弦琴亦稍露矣。彈無弦之琴，觀之為生一，生二，生三可矣。

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4732 )
日期：2013/10/10 20:08
留言者：新凡风

1。曲海浩渺，千帆万叶，皆可适意而航。舟之为物，或大或小，或丽或朴，或今或古，悉随尊便。然而，舟之功能，渡人载货而已；舍此皆为摆设。曲之功能，娱己娱人动人而已；舍此皆为虚荣之类。

2。一苇渡江，唯有达摩。他人欲效之，无不淹死。区区不反对雅化，但更重通变。曲艺前途在於增厚金字塔的底层。底层越厚，塔顶可以越高。群众甘为底石，前提是他们觉得有兴趣、有满足感。前提的前提是他们了解并仰慕塔顶的风光。

区区最大的兴趣在於发展、普及曲艺。因此着力点在通变。不反对雅化，但这不是区区努力的方向。

(表情35) (表情33)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4733 )
日期：2013/10/10 23:53
留言者：一丁

(大笑)

食雞，有成隻上，有斬件上，有撕碎上，各處鄉村各處例，唔同族群，有自己習慣喜好，雅俗由誰定？如何定？

其實最緊要係隻雞有雞味，食時覺得係享受，咁，就係一隻好食既雞。
(表情34)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.4734 )
日期：2013/10/10 23:51
留言者：KC

(大笑) 正呀是：桃李無言，下自成蹊！

俗語有云：有麝自然香！

事物有時不是由人的主觀意願而轉移的！

一種文化的興起與末落！只能順其自然！

粵曲與粵劇，好玩就多人玩！好聽就多人聽！

勉強不得！

做倒雅俗共賞固佳，做唔倒，小眾能藉以過下日辰也還不錯！

畢竟歡樂粵曲！歡樂粵劇！

趙呀是！ (表情34)

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