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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）
日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.435 )
日期：2012/11/29 08:52
留言者：Kc

(表情7) (表情7) (表情7)仲有數十就衝萬！哈哈！咁都有得玩！ (表情34) (表情34) (表情34)
講番粵曲唱腔，學曲之人，其實kc不主張刻意每字每句去模仿名腔！

但好多唱家都以名腔為尚！

近年睇過好多騷，聽過好多所謂名腔模仿者，似乎冇乜邊個有好評！


至於比賽，大陸多次得獎者皆風腔，蝦腔，B腔，因此乃國內名腔也！

新馬腔很多擁躉，但模仿得神似的，冇乜邊個，尹光自言有七成！吹水唔抹咀而已！

至於什麼骨子腔，鼓味腔，舊馬腔，薛派，桂派皆屬舊嘢，留番俾班高手講好咯！

新一代玩曲藝好少人用泥搵食, 似乎冇乜人刻意想藉名腔成名 (表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.436 )
日期：2012/11/29 10:59
留言者：諾基亞

辛老兄，再望賜教

陳笑風之書卷味確因愛好文學，但其實有書卷味者，亦非獨他，如用有無書卷味來評定風腔優劣，則似乎捕風捉影。

你說字韻方面，的而且確，風腔之最大特式是聲韻發口，細聽之下猶如欖形，其實小明星，白駒榮之唱腔亦如是，然而著重輕撥慢撚之歌伶則可用之也，講到戲曲之要用氣催聲，或序事說唱，唱腔隨劇情變化，則絕非陳笑風之能也。白駒榮用此聲韻而絕無黏糯之態，可見：「忙轉艇，快如雲，雙槳齊搖水面奔，海闊風狂你須坐穩」序事能力之高，初聽此曲，直似坐於艇上，可謂後學難為。若用白、星二腔拍埋風腔，則白、星之飽滿醇厚可顯出風腔之薄弱。

至於滄涼低迴，對比李向榮，鍾志強等，亦不及也。

至於用西廂待月比之與山伯臨終，則不公平，不必論唱者，就論唱詞，西廂待月乃梆子古曲，耳熟能詳，而且純梆子首板，慢板，中板，滾花則易厭，山伯臨終乃新腔，花色甚多，之如唱反線二黃序，我想當年羊城聽眾之未聞也。如此新掩舊，世間常態，亦非絕對唱者之功。況且羅品超勝於武腔，西廂待月其為二線耳。

而某所認為，風腔實一般而已，成名者，唱功其次，實更與社會和歷史有關。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.437 )
日期：2012/11/29 10:05
留言者：諾基亞

不是某食古不化，若要知該伶人唱腔優劣，最好是聽他唱的古腔。還要是首板，慢板，中板，滾花收個的，此等東西，是粵曲韻味之精華。蓋字少腔多，腔容易亂，開口時間難掌握，時常出現長短板，感情又難發揮，又因曲式沉悶，唱得不好，聽者會心散煩厭，唱得好時，爽朗無比，更覺清純透徹。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.438 )
日期：2012/11/29 10:09
留言者：TL

諾基亞兄： (表情33) (表情33) (表情33)
陳笑風也有一首《西廂待月》（土豆网），能否撥冗一聽並賜教一二？先謝過！ (大笑) (大笑)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.439 )
日期：2012/11/29 11:03
留言者：辛其士

Kc兄：

圈内桃色新闻小弟亦听唔少，名就无谓开喇，毕竟系传言。

诺基亚兄：

兄言自有见地，待小弟慢慢消化。腔无百用，风腔只适用於文场书生，故其书卷味、朗诵性、迂迥腔特色皆可用。若系武场或粗人，风腔绝对不合。老倌的班味，与歌伶的腔味，各有拥趸。欲定高低，难有统一标准。小弟听曲向重耳轨不重名，先取曲後听腔。腔的欣赏小弟系火麒麟，星腔与白腔亦吾挚爱，但看是那首曲而定。兄说白驹荣的叙事段乃《男烧衣》末段之南音流水板，其爽固宜。同曲前段则一咏一叹(地水南音叙事为主，腔不会长)也。若听白七叔之《泣荆花》则一咏三叹，因曲以抒情为主也。

无名曲则无名腔。成名唱家必有首本曲，只是曲迷向重唱而不重撰而已。没有潘一帆，那来许多新马金曲？都说任白戏宝，其实是唐涤生杰作。难怪杨子静曾概叹编剧/撰曲，难能而不可贵。

今之新扎伶人，十之七八不谙古腔，甚至官话亦读不准。欲听其古腔，难矣哉！
落花已随流水去，时代如此，只好与时并进或并退矣！ (沉思)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.440 )
日期：2012/11/29 12:48
留言者：Kc

(表情7) (表情7) (表情7)辛兄諾兄，從兩位平情之論，帶出了對風腔不同的看法！

Kc得益良多！

不過欣賞名腔，自有不同角度，而不同背景者，會有不同的觀感！

同意諾兄之言，名腔成名，自有其歷史及社會因素也！ (表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.441 )
日期：2012/11/29 15:36
留言者：辛奇士

喂，Kc兄：

溜览已过万啦，重唔请饮茶？网上请得啦，唔使真破费既。

这栏目的宝贵，在於范围广阔与参予者言之有物，曲友路过梗心思思揿吓，睇吓有无新料。唱艺无绝对，只有真情趣。夫江河之大，因不捐细流如小弟之愚见也。 (表情6)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.442 )
日期：2012/11/29 19:42
留言者：寸草心

各位大老.............(扯緊氣!)..........喂!..我最包尾冲.....冲線..(乜重有線咩!).... (表情24)
你地影住相先............重有.........应付住D傳媒先.............咦....乜走晒! (表情25)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.443 )
日期：2012/11/29 22:53
留言者：辛奇士

寸草心兄：

唔系您迟到，系终点搬远左。而家系追二万呀，快的罗多的您既传家之宝出黎畀大家开眼界啦！ (表情22) (表情23) (表情6)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.444 )
日期：2012/11/29 23:03
留言者：ming

補充一下，No.387提到的新馬和吳君麗對答的樓台會，是他們在1963年10月19日在香港大會堂為龍崗總會粵曲籌款演唱會的現場錄音。現在電台播放的由陳寶珠和李居安合唱的“紅了櫻桃碎了心”亦是當晚的錄音。

任白的“李後主的去國歸降”亦是在當晚首唱，並在第二年灌錄唱片。

另外，任姐所唱映紅霞開端的一段長句二流，源出於三十年代末女伶張蕙芳的“捨不得妹妹”。那一段二流和映紅霞是一模一樣的。 (大笑)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.445 )
日期：2012/11/30 00:10
留言者：kc

(表情7) (表情7) (表情7)
"任姐所唱映紅霞開端的一段長句二流，源出於三十年代末女伶張蕙芳的“捨不得妹妹”。那一段二流和映紅霞是一模一樣的。"

任姐出名冇腔！忽然一段靚腔﹔原來如此！

(拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.446 )
日期：2012/11/30 00:35
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)辛兄：飲茶，完全不成問題！
不過可能如果偶然爆咗你係新凡風扮就唔好啦！ (表情23) (表情23) (表情23)
都係網上飲！
你飲你府上果杯！
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