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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）
日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2120 )
日期：2013/03/27 20:01
留言者：辛奇士

众曲友：

真系唔敢当！小弟都系断估架咋，好采有条水喉射住。研究唔系我个杯茶，好多料都系新凡风过畀小弟既，佢既心得钟意同人分享，虽则饮茶食饭佢唔会客气。至於的水清唔清、甜唔甜，大家话喇，佢都系业余架咋！

讲番把声，如果有靓子喉既，梗系做旦啦！边位女仕唔想扮四大美人而去做吕布、范蠡、唐玄宗同汉元帝架？梗系倚凭郎怀好过怀里落霞尸艳啦！
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寸草心兄：

有本古书(唔记得个书名)：天下无人，遂令竖子成名！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2121 )
日期：2013/03/27 21:35
留言者：路過

想聽靚次伯的高音，可聽他早年的秦瓊賣馬。

最近香港電台第五台重播梁漢威主持的"琴曲重引梁以忠”，最近剛播完八大曲“雪中賢”，梁以忠在劇中大唱霸腔。平時多數聽他的言情曲和公腳喉，想不到他的高音遊刃有餘，令小弟一聽再聽，愛不釋手。
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2122 )
日期：2013/03/28 00:14
留言者：辛奇士

路过兄：

梁以忠有高子。他的解心二流起唱音系生，C#线？霸腔有无肉就唔知因为无听过。梁又叫粤曲字典，唱友有乜腔式疑难以他解释为准，好犀利！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2123 )
日期：2013/03/27 23:00
留言者：小陳

多謝新兄指導，有一疑問：
陳小漢的唱腔如何欣賞，自問不懂，但好多人都說好，好在那裡？

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2124 )
日期：2013/03/28 09:19
留言者：辛奇士

小陈曲友：

B腔谑称榴莲腔，即系话钟意就好钟意，唔钟意就避都避唔切。钟意话佢跌宕奇特，上山下海。其实B腔系集名腔大成，B哥自有非凡〝冶〞腔功力。唔钟意话佢劈柴咁声梗耳，兼走偏锋。口白仲好似抽筋咁好得人惊。B腔之盛也，小弟以为有两个特别原因：一是名曲多，陈自强与蔡衍芬最得力。二是天下无人，B腔之前之後都无高质新平喉腔，遂成一枝独秀。但B腔在标榜靓声既广东省地位远不如香港。小弟认为他的《同是天涯沦落人》同《梦会骊宫》真系好野，好腔配沧桑声，人物活现。不喜欢他的谈情曲，一开声成个阿伯款，何来潇洒呢又？

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2125 )
日期：2013/03/28 07:53
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)早晨！早晨！

又迎來新的一天！

五四運動正在上演！

各路英雄談先天，談技術，談韻味！

令小弟得益良多！

小弟獨沽一味，祥哥擁躉！

其他名腔，無法置喙！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2126 )
日期：2013/03/28 11:15
留言者：一家言

　辛奇士先生以“榴莲腔”形容Ｂ腔，实在形象之至！在广东曲坛，更有人将Ｂ腔称为“抽筋腔”。所以说其“抽筋”，是因为Ｂ腔的运腔很多时是不按常理出牌的，通常人人都会唱低的地方，他往往却踮起脚尖向高处走，明明大家觉得该向高的地方，他却坐过山车似地落到谷底。为此，喜爱Ｂ腔的人说它富于跌宕，变化莫测，富有新意；不喜欢的人，则嫌它反复无常，整古做怪。萝卜青菜，各有所爱，各人对艺术的认知和审美，本来就无法定诸一尊。对此，每人都应该有一种包容心态。你不喜欢，可以，但你不能妨碍别人模仿。所谓百花齐放，百家争鸣是也！
　　说到Ｂ腔近年为何在香港和内地这么流行，使我想起前些年某位与陈小汉同辈的粤剧名旦跟我及一班曲友说过的一番话。她说，为什么学虾腔和风腔的业务曲友那么少，因为罗家宝的唱法传统而富有功力，陈笑风首先是好声，兼且唱功深厚，许多人想学根本没法学，很多人费了很多心机，也只能得其皮毛。陈小汉本身音色不佳，贬者更刻薄地称之为“蔗渣声”，这倒跟时下很多上了年纪才学唱曲的人相似，所以他们觉得学Ｂ腔容易“上手”，首先在音色上要求不会太高，这就吸引了很多年长的平喉唱者竞相模仿和学习。
　　平心而论，正因为陈小汉先天的声音条件不好，他才会下这么多心机钻研唱腔，换了别人，我一声压三丑，爹妈给我一副金嗓子，净系听我把声就够“杀食”了。陈小汉要在唱腔上出人头地，就他自身的先天条件，只能“置于死地而后生”，千方百计度出一些耐听和有个人特色的唱腔出来。这正暗合了中国传统的“塞翁失马，焉知非福”，加上他有几个为他度身写曲的人“撑住”，如此持之以恒，便成就了陈小汉和他的Ｂ腔。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2127 )
日期：2013/03/28 12:10
留言者：辛奇士

一家言先生金玉之言，佩服之至！

B腔低子甚低。最不明白的是有些女平喉，本身低子麻麻地，却偏要趁潮流唱B曲、仿B腔。又唔识转膊，剩系跟曲纸。到低子整黎整去整出个大头佛怪鸡腔！喂阿姐呀，乜野表演艺术都系扬长避短架麻。无花无朵无蛇无对仲死跟？输晒都系自己罗黎既o者！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2128 )
日期：2013/03/28 12:12
留言者：kc

(好!) (好!) (好!)一家言兄說得合理！不愧一家言之名！成一家言了！ (拍掌) (拍掌) (拍掌)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2129 )
日期：2013/03/28 12:51
留言者：小李
電郵：Floweregg@gmail.com

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2130 )
日期：2013/03/28 15:42
留言者：老三

由開始學曲起，老三對眾多名家名腔的品聽，就簡化地只留意他們的重點，是用什麽方法去唱，用怎樣的技術技巧，弄出怎樣的聲音效果，而不理會他們在旋律上(腔)的安排。老三佩服陳小漢的曲藝造詣，是他高超閑熟的用氣和口腔控聲玩律的"本領"，因為這"本領"正是把曲子弄造得曲情韻都撩人心弦、撩人耳根的關鍵，而不理會他把"急口令"也加進唱曲中和幹柴般的音嗓。而對於"蝦腔"，老三就連聽多兩下都懶，因為老三很早就認為，"蝦腔"技術低，技巧少，是羅家寶很個人特色的"腔"，不大有可以利用和改造的技術成分。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2131 )
日期：2013/03/28 16:42
留言者：諾基亞

路過曲友，平喉多人講，霸腔少人傾。待我又噴下口水。

女伶唱霸腔有其利，但亦有壞處，女喉天生容易唱到高音，以音樂來論，雖然適合唱平霸之腔，但戲曲論，於平腔時還可扮粗獷，一到高音常常穿煲，嬌嫩多不能免，此頗煞風景也。而且力氣唱久則多不足，猶其一連串大喉七字快板，常有蛇尾之感，如梁婉芳，蔣艷紅，白燕仔，熊飛影，郭少文都有此弊，莫講其他唱女平而兼唱小武者。女平唱大喉以源妙生最佳，最近電台播其一曲沙陀借兵，此曲某已多年未聽，當年聽只覺杳杳，今次重聽，一人分唱兩角，一個武生，一個總生，一連串大喉快中板，愈唱愈有力，絕佳之唱也。但其聲，粗獷亦稍覺不足。熊飛影之花面喉雖得其聲，但不得其力，如其唱花容道之關羽，曲未段覺其力有不足也。另外，飾關羽應用武生喉唱，突顯其文武兼備，氣度雍容，用花面喉則嫌其草莾。

而男唱大喉，如靚次伯，新靚就，靚榮，羅品超，盧啟光，新馬仔，則多力氣充沛，雖然高音未必如女平之高，但粗獷必過之。聽來方有氣象。梁以忠先生，唱公腳喉是其專長，如百里奚，辯才，武生喉亦出色，其唱楊延昭一角，叫焦贊將此寶高高懸掛，還重遊刃有餘，以業餘唱家來說，已是極為出色。

聽大喉，最緊要個力氣。靚次伯之斬經堂，既有高音又有力氣，今已無人可及。

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