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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）
日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2060 )
日期：2013/03/24 11:27
留言者：辛奇士

三哥：

先天是天赋如好声或节奏感好。譬如说身材高大打排球、篮球有优势。天份是曲性、即悟性，学野快，识转膊，扬长避短。名腔不一定天赋好，但一定有天份。当然後天的努力是必须的。再美的玉不精雕细琢不能成艺术品。

愚见：唱曲会用到乃至混合用不同的共呜器官，只是某些部份用得轻和不常用故不自觉。唱粤曲主要重用前置共鸣器官：胸、咽、鼻、额；但唱高情绪时亦会用到後脑。新马用声南融北，是比别人多用了脑後音，也就是京剧老生的使声法，特别透但不伤曲昧，因为用得好。另外粤语九音有时要用足唇齿音始露字。小弟的意见是不必拘泥用甚么共鸣部位，只问效果与粤曲唱腔要求有无冲突。重美声显然是有的。乱吹水，见笑了。
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2061 )
日期：2013/03/24 13:55
留言者：老三

辛兄：

新馬好聲好曲好戲，人所公認，唯韻味，就未全是老三杯茶，老三不大愛"京腔粵用"出來的溝雜了的粵味呵。另外，小弟感覺；京腔與美聲是有所區別的。新馬的腔，老三找不到美聲的痕迹呵。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2062 )
日期：2013/03/24 19:55
留言者：辛奇士

三哥：

可能大家对美声的定义不一样。您说的可能是西方艺术歌曲用声法，是仿西的(当然俄式、德式与意大利式都会有些差异)。小弟说的是不论中西，讲究每个音符都唱到最圆、最亮，也就是所谓科学的美发声法。重美声唱粤曲的弊端就是重腔轻字、重厚轻活、重连轻断、重技巧轻自然、重程式轻即兴；为声之圆而牺牲了粤曲唱腔的一些重要特色，也就是韵味。举例：大家喜欢红线女前期唱腔多於後期。其实女姐前期亦带美声，只是份量适当不碍度腔，反把音域扩阔了。她的生活发声是比唱曲低沉的，可参照她早期的粤语电影。小弟知D唔知D。吹水o者，唔使太认真既。
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2063 )
日期：2013/03/24 18:07
留言者：寸草心

" 小弟知D唔知D。吹水o者，唔使太认真既。"
辛兄,你以為啦!? 你既貼我前睇後睇!愛不釋手架! (表情33)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2064 )
日期：2013/03/24 19:58
留言者：辛奇士

寸草心兄：

愧甚！您搅到小弟今晚训唔着添！其实唔少意见系同新凡风饮茶时佢讲畀小弟知既。唔岩既话同佢揽住死！



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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2065 )
日期：2013/03/24 22:59
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)展殯紛改番做繽紛咯！

似乎都有人留意諸位在此的發言！

五二真係唔易咯！

嘩！冇先天？

以前聴人講，先天不足，後天又失調！

對身子就好大鑊！

但對唱曲又點？

就留番俾老三兄講嘞！

冇先天？冇技術？冇韻味？

點收科呢？ (表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2066 )
日期：2013/03/24 23:55
留言者：細细粒

我稔如果乜都無，又好鍾意、都係可以照唱，娱己毋妨，娱人就要稔清楚喇！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2067 )
日期：2013/03/25 00:10
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)

自娛一定得！

最㢢係有D乜都冇！

居然夠膽出騷賣飛收錢！

咁都得？

算點先？ (表情19) (表情19) (表情19)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2068 )
日期：2013/03/25 00:31
留言者：辛奇士

Kc兄：

无人留意又何来点击率呢又？而家响晒朵架勒！弊！都系低调的好。阿弥陀佛！

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无料卖飞乜唔得呀？有得赚就话难o者。够媒一定谷到爆添噃！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2069 )
日期：2013/03/25 08:33
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)咁就係！

紅館就話難D！

普通幾百至千零位，容乜易滿！

油麻地個塲，得二百零三百位！

整番個超貴騷玩下，二千皮VIP；搵倒十個老細；可封蝕本門！

其餘暗唖抵！靜靜鷄派飛就實滿啦！

一唔係就慈善為名！扣除開支至慈！

又係出師有名囉！ (表情23) (迷茫)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2070 )
日期：2013/03/25 06:40
留言者：細細粒



即係話善事唔好亂咁做，否則見到D人喺度謀殺D粤曲就真係痛心！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.2071 )
日期：2013/03/25 06:48
留言者：小李

在我習曲的過程裡,曾先後聽過兩位音樂名家說,唱子喉一定要唱得有韻味,才算好聽.如嚴淑芳的子喉,不好聲,但好好聽,因為她唱得很有韻味.我當時是旁聽,不好意思發問甚麼叫做韻味.怕被人瘀:"乜野係韻味都唔知," 所以祇有猛UP頭,扮明白.但這個所為粵曲韻味的問題,至今還在我腦海縈迴,不得其解. 這幾個月在這個貼子上,發現這裡有很多藏龍臥虎,,相信一定有高人指點我. 從發問至今,多謝各為前輩的回貼,使我受益不淺,再一次道謝. (表情11) (表情11)
跟據各位的高論,我得出的結果是粵曲韻味是一種個人感受的意識.如聽新馬仔,芳艷芬,早期的紅線女的曲後,便有如品嚐純醪之覺.那種味道是不能用筆來形容.不是單憑好聲,或字正腔圓就說是有味道.那麼這些唱家們的味道,後學者又怎麼去學呢?如崔妙芝可以學到芳艷芬的韻味,是她天生的嗎?(她的聲線確是很像芳艷芬).還是她後天摸索到了芳腔技術上的竅門呢?或者如老三兄說,半天生,半後天,半技巧呢?有甚麼技巧才能唱出韻味呢? (沉思) (沉思)
香港的子喉唱家唱曲有韻味的.早期當然以紅線女, 芳艷芬, 嚴淑芳,李寶瑩為表表者. 近代的想不到那位.
大陸的子喉唱家唱曲有韻味的,我個人認為,早期有林小群,鄭培英.近期有陳韻紅,蘇春梅.
這祇是個人愚見而矣.
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