粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6339 ) 日期：2014/04/03 21:42 留言者：蛇仔明 又乜又物，边有咁多时间同精力呀？o赫鬼咩？咪傻喇！唔使既。曲式、音乐系撰曲人同乐师既事，唱曲人仔负责唱靓枝曲咪得o罗。一人一瓣。你话要识埋设计、制造同修理飞机至做得机师既话，咁就到死个日都开唔到工喇！仲有人话要识齐八大曲至系唱家。梗唔使喇！考古咩！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6340 ) 日期：2014/04/03 21:42 留言者：KC 玩業餘唱粵曲，唱到企上台唔失禮！唔甩唔撞！ 收腔句格冇錯！已算是有交待了！ 同朋友操曲夾歌，又係如是！能以曲會友！ 䀆歡才散可矣！ 至於能叻到唐滌生咁，但也不懂音律！ 叻到王粵生咁，唱來成個亞伯咁！ 伶人識唱又未必識彈！ 識彈又識唱又未必有色！ 聲色藝全！ 難矣哉！難矣哉！ 識D唔識D！只能網上吹吹水吧了！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6341 ) 日期：2014/04/03 22:23 留言者：寸草心 識D唔識D！只能網上吹吹水吧了！ D專家多數臉皮薄也! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6342 ) 日期：2014/04/03 23:13 留言者：KC 粵曲粵樂博大精深！ 好難弄清弄楚每事每物！ 士工中板又是士工！ 線口又是士工！ 此士工又不等於彼士工！ 唉！天呀！ 前人點解改名咁唔小心呀？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6343 ) 日期：2014/04/04 10:25 留言者：TL 先解析幾個概念，試試用曲社的習慣說法來說，通俗些。 定調：確定正線“上”音的音高。一般將之定在C，是為C調。曲社相就女平，會將“上”定在C+20,或C+30，或升C不等。 線口：頭架師傅的高胡玩合尺線時為正線，玩上六線時為反線（如果定調是C，反線就是G調）,上六線是降B調,尺五線是F調。 定絃：正線時各種樂器空絃調較的音高。比如高胡較合尺線，二胡較尺五線，二弦較士工線，三弦較仩合上，笛子是密指合，簫是洞音尺等等。 士工中板的士工是梆子的骨幹音，所以用來作梆子的異名。士工中板即梆子中板，其它如士工首板（梆子首板）、士工慢板（梆子慢板）等。合尺是二黃的骨幹音，所以用來作二黃的異名，如二黃滾花又叫合尺滾花，等等。這裡的士工、合尺，與上述線口定調定弦都無關，都是正線，說士工中板是士工線只是望文生義。 經寸兄指正，線口一節中“上六線是降B調”應為“士工線是降B調”。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6344 ) 日期：2014/04/05 05:52 留言者：寸草心 TL兄前輩, 又多句口嘞！.......乜上六缐係降B咩! 我E家真係有D儍儍地嘞！諗極都唔通! 敝！ 唔好屈我! 講明係有疑惑, 多句囗啫! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6345 ) 日期：2014/04/04 10:42 留言者：TL 寸兄：已改正，謝謝！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6346 ) 日期：2014/04/04 12:14 留言者：KC 立網的確是粵曲的宝庫！ 在談天說地揾倒一高人之論: 康少粵曲音樂常識 綫口是調的另一個名稱，但<調式>是另外一種東西，不能通用。 從各個<音位>組合出一組常用的音位組合出來應用於某種樂器或用來歌唱﹔ 這組音位我們給它一個專有名稱，叫<調> 在西洋音樂裡，有兩種命調方法﹕若用在宮位(I)的主音命調的叫大調， 如以<1=C>的我們叫這組音位為C大調 ﹔ 若用在羽位(VI)的主音命調的叫小調， 如以<6=A>的我們叫這組音位為Am小調。 在粵曲裡，我們用<綫口>這個名稱而不叫它為乜調， 高胡為粵曲的主領樂器，空弦內弦的音高是G，外弦音高是D， 在高胡上用<合尺指法>拉出來的綫口剛好是用G做<合>，用D做<尺>， 所以我們亦叫這個組合為合尺綫。 用合尺指法在主領樂器拉出來的綫口在中國各種戲種都稱為正綫， 換言之、高胡是粵劇的主領樂器，用合尺指法拉出來的合尺綫在粵曲又叫正綫， 剛好和西洋音樂的C調一樣用C來作宮位(dol)。 同樣地，用<上六指法>拉出來的綫口剛好是用G做<上>，用D做<六>， 所以我們亦叫這個組合為上六綫。 用上六指法在主領樂器拉出來的綫口在中國各種戲種都稱為反綫， 換言之、高胡是粵劇的主領樂器，用上六指法拉出來的上六綫在粵曲又叫反綫， 剛好和西洋音樂的G調一樣用G來作宮位(dol)。 如此類推， 在高胡上用<尺五指法>拉出來的綫口剛好是用G做<尺>，用D做<五>， 所以我們亦叫這個組合為尺五綫。 剛好和西洋音樂的F調一樣用F來作宮位(dol)。 在高胡上用<士工指法>拉出來的綫口剛好是用G做<士>，用D做<工>， 所以我們亦叫這個組合為士工綫。 剛好和西洋音樂的降B調一樣用Bb來作宮位(dol)。 粵曲主用的有四個綫口: <合尺綫> ， <上六綫> ， <尺五綫> ，<士工綫>。 KC: 有冇茅塞頓開之感呢？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6347 ) 日期：2014/04/04 13:02 留言者：TL 康少說得很好。以前見過一貼署名蔡永康，都叫康，應該不是同一人。因為蔡網友的貼名“五個調式綜合練習”，其中“調式”一詞就犯了康少所指出的錯誤，把調式與調混淆了。康少說： 綫口是調的另一個名稱，但<調式>是另外一種東西，不能通用。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6348 ) 日期：2014/04/04 14:53 留言者：Kc 在談天說地索引搵康少園地可搵倒康少的言論！ 相信是叫康少博，應在三藩巿！ 小弟正在慢慢消化緊康少的留言！ 應是有料之人也！ 推介給有意學多D的朋友！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6349 ) 日期：2014/04/04 17:57 留言者：寸草心 KC兄, 搵料, 推界, 开啱你果瓣囉! 啱听! 檀香山師傅都搬过黎傾, 益下你, 你就做下功課, 益大家! 咁就又上幾千點啦! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.6350 ) 日期：2014/04/04 19:48 留言者：Kc 網上雖然料多！ 但堅料卻不多！ 呢個世界人多！但真正高人就不多！ 識小小扮代表的人多！但好有料又肯騷"哥利”的人也不多！ 以往師傅教徒弟，往往留一手！ 留下留下，剩番冇幾多咯！ 何況仲有好多，根本冇乜料，能有幾多堅料？ 有D可能識小小，死都唔肯講出泥！ 見人錯就笑下人，扮高人！ 唉！ 一樣米就食百樣人！ 泥疏剪摩扮？泥疏剪摩扮？

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