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粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）
日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.110 )
日期：2012/11/08 10:16
留言者：Kc

(大笑) (大笑) (大笑)我的題目就是趣味話題啦！ (大笑) (大笑) (大笑)
看很多刋物的文章，有時尚講緊上世紀，什麼金山乜！新靚乜！嘩，睇過呢D人物的朋友，冇八字頭都起碼七字頭啦！都唔知編輯點解會登呢類稿？
係咪真係有咁多人咁懷舊呀？
通常講到馬師曾，kc已頂晒龍！再舊果D，未聴過，未睇過！
點投入呀？係咪？ (沉思) (沉思) (沉思)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.111 )
日期：2012/11/08 10:23
留言者：Kc

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)仲有在電台有幾首薛覺先的粵曲，kc聽來只覺不及小弟偶像新馬！
聽講辛兄對薛氏頗有硏究！
希望有以教我！ (表情11) (表情11) (表情11)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.112 )
日期：2012/11/08 11:57
留言者：辛奇士

Kc兄：

唔敢当。

老倌真平半薛传，就是说受到薛腔的影响。新马、虾、镜(吕玉郎)、声（林家声）、B、骨子（钟云山）、仔(吴仟峰)等或多或少都有薛腔余绪。腔就声是基本原则。薛五哥音域不阔但有肉(厚实)，气度亦不强。所以他的行腔断腔多连腔少；多在中低区，忽然尾音挑高便甚煞食了。薛腔简璞中见华丽，自然而不做作，易学难精。他创的长句二簧、长句二流与长句滚花均甚有特色。他推崇的问字取腔理论更被奉为圭皋。初听无特别，越听越有味。他的代表曲是《玉离魂》（薛腔精华一定要听）、《寒江钓雪》、《哭坟》、《祭飞鸾后》(独唱)、《陌路萧郎》、《前程万里》、《慰妻》(合唱)。後期与芳艳芬唱的《汉武帝初会卫夫人》已走下坡。他的声功同新马无得比；但若论腔的创造，则新马唔系佢个皮。小弟不一定对，腔的鉴赏从来是主观的。 (表情6)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.113 )
日期：2012/11/08 12:10
留言者：KKC

本帖之前也提過聽一些舊老倌或舊唱家的CD，不是那麼好聽，我想跟古老的錄音技術有莫大關係。
聽過小明星、徐柳仙的舊錄音，人聲怪聲怪氣，音樂單薄，鑼茶叮叮噹噹，我這粵曲發燒友也絕不覺好聽，相信外行人更覺粵曲老土，厭煩。但聽另一張可能是徐柳仙後期錄得那張再折長亭柳，哇！豪邁奔放，唱腔高低抑揚，音樂純厚，就是鑼茶也特別好聽，簡直要封徐柳仙為偶像。仙姐素來對錄音要求嚴格，我的愛西方音樂的朋友聽過紫釵記的錄音說發覺很好聽，說原來粵曲的音樂水平是那麼高，絕不老土，更買了一套紫釵記CD作為珍藏。
我出世遲，無緣聽過那些名家的真聲，有點無奈。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.114 )
日期：2012/11/08 12:45
留言者：辛奇士

KKC兄：

得闲可以去广州爱群酒店转角个间粤曲专门店淘宝，佢地有卖翻录旧CD，时有惊喜。爱群下午有歌坛茶座，唱者多是《广东粤艺团》成员，水准唔错。 (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.115 )
日期：2012/11/08 14:21
留言者：TL

除了錄音質量，還有另一個因素：欣賞者與欣賞對象的距離很重要。太公時代的演繹方式和欣賞習慣與現代差距太遠。

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.116 )
日期：2012/11/08 15:15
留言者：kc

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)kc細時見D 大人聽歌, 咪住眼, 打住拍子, 好投入咁！

而家去聽粵曲, D友好少咁投入！唔係彈人樣衰, 就係冇粵曲味！

唔係樣殘唔照鏡, 就睇人幾時甩, 幾時撞！ (表情6) (表情6) (表情6)

總之欣賞方向同水平都好有問題！ (沉思) (沉思) (沉思)

好少聽倒有人讚人者也！（同kc大大不同！） (表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.117 )
日期：2012/11/08 18:05
留言者：辛奇士

Kc兄：

您说一路陶醉一路打拍子系从前歌坛实况。而家香港歌坛有几惨淡？去庙街睇吓便知。广州还可以。

小弟主观识为现在唱与听平均都差过以前。以前耐唔耐至出一枝新曲，都系有水准的。而家每月新曲，食到你滞。罪魁祸首之一，系十分详尽的曲谱，连滚花都谱埋工尺。唔识度腔亦可以唱，使乜咁辛苦去钻研曲艺？之二系阔佬阔太使钱找人撰曲、找老倌唱一边，自己唱到甩皮甩骨照卖(或者送)CD。整整吓好坯无标准，总之鱼目混珠，弊帚自珍。 (表情12)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.118 )
日期：2012/11/08 18:47
留言者：寸草心

細時跟老豆到上环(好似系)一間茶酒(是不是添男?)听歌,馮華師傅玩梵玲,有爵士鼓,間場又黎支
精神音樂----雁落平沙.....果种近距離氣氛,冇得頂!

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.119 )
日期：2012/11/09 00:42
留言者：辛奇士

寸草心兄：

我细时亦跟过老窦去佐敦道平安酒家 (12字楼)饮茶听曲。当时梗系唔识欣赏。冼剑丽唱首本曲《一缕柔情》，尹自重傍住玩梵铃，重有沙锤、爵士鼓。成支跳舞音乐蓬拆拆几得意。 (表情13)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.120 )
日期：2012/11/09 12:17
留言者：Kc

(微笑) (微笑) (微笑)以往的朋友，聽粵曲，睇大戲，是娛樂的節目！
今日反而學粵曲，出騷，做折子戲的朋友，作為娛樂的多！
聽歌，睇折子戲的朋友，反而成了陪客！
大家心態要求大大不同了！
而粵曲粵劇已是小眾娛樂！
此所以行內人有搵食艱難之歎！
(表情7) (表情7) (表情7)

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.121 )
日期：2012/11/09 10:02
留言者：辛奇士

真系想同大家研究吓，曲骚需要什麽元素才能不亏本？Kc兄讲过无可能，他亦从来不买飞。小弟见过几次尹光既粤曲个唱(没有唱流行歌)都爆棚，应该赚到钱。他的骚特点是：
1.嘉宾都是曲界有名气的实力派,当然主角本身亦是(粤曲业余个唱多是主弱宾强)
2.喜曲比悲曲多(粤曲骚反是)
3.全抛曲(非专业多揸曲、读曲)
4.主角在唱之佘，亦与观众谈笑，拉近距离(曲骚唱者与观巧无直接交流)
5.全好听旧曲(时兴唱热门曲，间有新曲首唱)
6.每曲不长，多在25分钟内(30分钟唱腔曲周时见)

要言之，尹光式是从冷漠、以我为主的传统曲骚模式转向热情、邀请台下参予的模式(这亦是流行曲骚惯用的模式)。这是否粤曲骚商业化的出路？抑或是一定亏本而沦为有钱人的凤头玩意？ (沉思)

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