粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5674 ) 日期：2014/01/01 00:01 留言者：KC 2014! 新年快樂！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5675 ) 日期：2014/01/01 00:06 留言者：tt 新年快樂! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5676 ) 日期：2014/01/01 02:54 留言者：TL 新年快樂！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5677 ) 日期：2014/01/01 07:48 留言者：寸草心 早晨! 2014! Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5678 ) 日期：2014/01/01 09:37 留言者：Kc 早晨！早晨！ 2014！ 新年快樂！ 祝大家歌越唱越好！ 曲藝進步！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5679 ) 日期：2014/01/01 10:04 留言者：四姑娘 祝各位新年快樂 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5680 ) 日期：2014/01/02 09:23 留言者：KC 早晨！早晨！ 又到了2014！哈哈！真好！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5681 ) 日期：2014/01/02 09:46 留言者：kc 解答: 何謂 梓 童？ (資料網上找來, kc參訂) 古代社會中最高統治者皇帝的正妻皇后，統攝六宮，母儀天下，地位相當顯赫，但是皇后有一個奇怪的稱號，常常被皇帝稱為或自稱為『梓童』。 『梓童』之名是何意？ 對此人們頗費猜詳。 據有些專家考證，『梓童』原作 『子童』！ 最早見於《全相平話五種》：妲己乃問天子曰：「大王前者行文字天下人進寶，近日進得何寶？將來與 子童 隨喜看之。」《武王伐紂平話》 『呂后：「子童 領旨，九月二十一日未央宮下，斬訖韓信也」。』《前漢書平話》 『高祖聖旨言：「.. 寡人去游雲夢，交 子童 權為皇帝，把三人賺入宮中，害其性命」。』《三國志平話》 在明代小說中，『子童』 逐漸被 『梓童』 所替代，用於對皇后的稱呼。 例如《西游記》中『那國王急睜眼睛，見皇后的頭光，他連忙爬來道：「梓童，你如何這等。」』《西游記》八十四回 最早出現『子童』名稱的《全相平話五種》，其著作的年代當在南宋之中或元至元之初。此時正是通俗文學大發展之際，隨著通俗文學的發展，一大批新語彙產生，『子童』當是其中之一。 『子童』這個詞彙實際上有根源，它應該是由『小童』衍化而來。 『小童』是春秋戰國時期的諸侯正配夫人的自稱。 《論語•季氏》中說：『君稱之曰夫人，夫人自稱曰小童。邦人稱之曰君夫人，稱諸異邦曰寡小君。』 君夫人是諸侯正配夫人，比起後來的皇后，差了一個等級。 秦始皇滅六國後，就不願稱王，而稱皇帝，以示尊貴，照此推理，皇后也不能再沿稱過去君夫人的各種稱謂，但是事實上後來的皇后仍然沿襲前稱。 如《後漢書•皇后紀第十上•鄧皇后》中即有『小君』之稱：『至各立為皇后。辭讓者三，然後即位，手書表謝，深陳德薄，不足以充小君之選。』這裡的『小君』顯然是皇后的謙稱。 那麼，『小童』何以在宋元時期會變成『子童』的呢？ 有人考證，其中原因應與當時的文化心理有關，南宋至元，程朱理學大盛，倫理綱常被奉為永恆不變的天理，必然使話本作者及使用者十分謹慎，『小童』雖然有據，但似乎用『小』稱皇后有不敬之嫌，於是以『子』取而代之，因『子』也有『小』義，『小童』便衍化為『子童』。 而『梓童』的稱呼又是從『小童』衍化而來，『子』與『梓』中古聲韻相同，具有同音通假的條件，且『梓』有以下諸訓：《尚書大傳》引商子曰：『梓者，子道也。』《詩•鄘風•定之方中》：『椅桐梓漆〔疏〕陸機云：梓者，楸之疏理白色而生子者為梓。《正字通》：梓，百木之長，一名木王，羅願曰：室屋間有此木，餘材不復震。』 梓為木中之貴者，古人以梓為有子的像徵，皇帝立皇后，不僅是為了母儀天下，更重要的是為了建子嗣，承大統，以延續和維持王朝的長久統治， 這是歷代帝王都極為重視之大事。把建儲稱作立國本。因而皇后稱梓童，也正迎合了古代統治者這種心理。 但是有學者指出，在元雜劇或明代小說中，『子童』或『梓童』不僅用於皇后之稱，還用於女仙和女王的自稱。 例如《金安壽》中『（老旦扮王母）子童乃九靈大妙金母是也』。《誤入桃源》中『（二旦扮仙子）子童二人，乃上界紫霄玉女』。《西游記》中『子童女人國王，俺一國無男子』。這是因為神權原高於人權，稍高一些級別的神仙均可稱『帝』、『后』，故仙女稱『子童』不足為怪。 Kc: 原作條友十分有料！不知是誰！ 應該在立網出過此帖！ 佩服！佩服！ 有人知請告知kc！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5682 ) 日期：2014/01/02 12:35 留言者：辛奇士 Kc兄： 解释十分详尽。梓童称呼寓意贵重及多子嗣。风炉在他专栏亦讲过，但系梨园中人就唔系个个知。 仲有两谜等您解画。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5683 ) 日期：2014/01/02 14:09 留言者：kc 碧海狂僧 - 徐小鳳 http://youtu.be/Pnvim2k7iwI Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5684 ) 日期：2014/01/02 14:31 留言者：kc 俏潘安 (店遇) - 龍劍笙 梅雪詩 http://youtu.be/x3ZjMCIvcuo 呢段嘢又同kc有乜關係？ 出塲亞刨D 功架係KC師傅李少華老師教嘅！明未？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.5685 ) 日期：2014/01/02 20:22 留言者：蛇仔明 徐小凤把声厚而沉，点唱凡腔呀？豉味腔、虾腔或地水南音岩D噃！睇过几个流行曲歌星唱粤曲平喉既DVD，以吕珊既粤曲味最好。

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