粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一） 日期：2015/04/26 22:55 留言者：KC 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！ 任大家隨意發揮吧！ （出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3123 ) 日期：2013/06/07 14:54 留言者：諾基亞 辛兄，或許玩曲藝者多屬女流，出台獻唱者，女平喉竟佔十之八，故星腔與任腔較易接受也。國內女平多唱星腔，港女平多唱任腔。而男平今多蝦或風腔，此與年紀有關係。畢竟上一代名腔如新馬腔，狗仔腔，難度極高，再上一代之薛腔白腔，亦不容易，唱新馬腔者「呀」多幾下，都或會有人估到你唱乜腔，但白腔薛腔，講究內涵味道，無形可仿，要學唱極花時間精神，以業餘專研至此，可謂攞苦黎辛，況且式微已久，即登台獻唱，竟無人所得知，唱來甚無認同感，而廖、馬之乃丑生腔，即唱得出都無樂手玩得到，更是氣餒。 近來喜聽麥炳榮，有云：有點錯狀元，無扎錯老倌，此語非虛也。但麥炳榮終未成流派，只留下名曲傳世。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3124 ) 日期：2013/06/07 16:32 留言者：青玉案 一家言先生: 謝謝你的回帖. 很對不起是我粗心大意將你的名字看差了. 假如你沒有指出, 相信我永遠不會察覺到的. 為甚麼有這個謬誤, 真是天曉得! 我從童年開始便在教會辦的英文書院就讀. 父親特地請老師回家替我補習中文. 可能是經常聽那個大儒說甚麼大丈夫一言九鼎, 或者是一言興邦一言喪邦, 又或者是一言既出駟馬難追等詞語, 聽多了, 記上了心, 便將馮京作馬涼. 一家言變成一言堂了! 其實用一言堂作筆名也不錯呢! 因為名字 可指:- (一) “ 講過就一定要算” 這是你說的所謂霸氣話. (二)”講過就算” 這是滑頭話. (三) “講過就一定會算” 這是有承擔的人說的話. 讓讀者們瞎猜一頓內裡玄機也好. 我以前未試過在網上發帖. 月前 因為在曲藝月刊上得知亞立先生要取消他的專欄, 覺得可惜, 於是便試試寫幾行字給他. 就這樣便打開了話盒子. 我很窩囊, 這幾張帖都要麻煩亞立先生代發的! 我被那些甚麼現在心情, 自定心情網址和留言密瑪弄糊塗了. 如果上這網的女士不多, 或者可能是開始便遇上滑鐵盧, 乾脆放棄. 蘇春挴女士在藝術生命全盛期回家相夫教子, 亞立先生又不再寫專欄, 希望KC先生不會一覺醒來, 轉了軑, 不再寫他的妙語如珠的妙文. 好像那篇寫紅毛獅王李煜和那個被宋皇性騷擾後哭得梨花帶雨的鄭老太合唱南唐殘夢, 我就笑得馬倒人翻. KC先生和他妹子都是天生可以楂筆搵食的人. 他妹妹有幾篇描寫她和害病丈夫的文章, 十分感性, 比起沈三白與芸娘或者錦江詩魂那些悲情曲, 文意更上乘. 剛看了陳笑風和蔣文端的樓台會. 整首曲讓我提心吊膽. 害怕爺爺山伯忘了曲詞, 更害怕一面病容的他忽然倒在台上. 他明顯地力不從心. 為甚麼他太太鍾錦容沒有勸阻他, 根據海報消息她還是這演唱會的大會統籌呢? 莫非風伯口中的難言之隱, 是指她? 她想謀殺親夫嗎? 據說陳笑風收徒弟要每位酒席費二十萬(不是美元罷?) 這也不算是苛索了. 一個當紅明星或歌星出席一次廣告商會做宣傳, 也要數十萬元呀! 他付出的是自已畢生的名氣和名聲. 還有多年積聚下來的人脈關系網. 如果徒兒不成才, 又會被拖累被人指指點點. 我覺得這數目是合理的, 是超值的. 看看曉毅, 本身條件足夠, 例如唱工好, 演出認真, 基本功夫穩. 身形比例適中. 很擔戲服. 眼細口大的他談不上英俊, 但少了股油滑和脂粉氣, 化了舞台裝, 也令人看得舒服. 他走紅粵劇界, 其實是遲早的事, 但現在拜了陳笑風為師, 崎嶇的粵劇路途, 肯定會比別人走得順逐些. 區區二十萬, 何足道哉! 看看他近期 頻頻出騷, 快要超越何華棧了! 我近曰將youtube 上所有不同生旦配搭演出的兩套粵劇, 刁蠻公主戇駙馬和雷鳴金鼓戰笳聲, 都看全了. 覺得嘵毅和蘇春梅, 還有李翠翠合作的兩劇最好看. 不知是否因為有導演的原故. 一家言先生, 可以網上發表些意見嗎? 據聞這些導演還是外省藉的? 我是因為看了你No.1844的帖, 才寫信向你問及蘇春梅和馮剛毅. 謝謝你的回帖, 不但證實了我自己的想法, 亦解開我多月來心中的結. 或者我將過情再詳細些道來罷. 去年一個洋朋友找我幫忙籌辦一個中西文化交流的慈善活動. 剛巧今年是任劍輝百歲昊壽. 我覺得可以考慮用鋼琴和古箏演奏中國樂曲, 再加上兩場任白折子戲, 還有粵曲對唱和民間舞蹈等節目. 剛巧聽過曉毅在私局錄的聲帶, 我認為他挺適合唱任白名曲. ( 洋人不會接受女平喉的. 我也不喜歡) 我托人問了曉毅的介口, 亦覺得合理. 誰料到宋錦榮掌扳突然去世, 事情變得不再簡單. 在粵曲圈子, 不是肯花錢便事事行得通的. 我也想不到要把粵劇帶入主流社會, 會是荊棘滿地! 剛巧馮剛毅來多城登台. 我找他上了一課私鐘. 打算趁機問他關於曉毅的事. 想不到我剛開口問他 “你識得吳曉毅嗎?” 他立刻回答 “唔識” 我也沒有再自討沒趣. 後來在慶功宴上我和他同席坐在一起. 我亦絕口不提深圳粵劇團的事. 不過當我指出他演的賈寶玉有徐玉蘭影子時, 他樂得開懷大笑, 稱贊我有眼光. 他說他是特地請除玉蘭教他演賈寶玉的. 我後來買了”駝哥的旗”影碟. 他實在演得精彩, 是國際水準. 難怪他不惜任何手段也要取得二度梅的榮譽. 我和這個馮老師上的一節課總算是有得益的. 上課前夕他很認真地聽我的幾卷聲帶. 然後 將細節記在紙上. 他還寫得一手好字. 給人的印像就像陳笑風, 似教書先生多過似唱戲的. 上完課他送了一張相片給我. 現在翻了出來, 原來合拍的花旦就是蘇春梅! 看來那節課也算是超值吧, 我給了他一個二佰加元紅封包. 這數目還不夠支付何華棧和我在私局對唱兩支曲價錢. 我也曾詢問那位安排馮老師來多城登台的粵劇師傅, 為甚麼倆個同團新舊文武生. 可以互不相識. 她回答深圳是個很大的城市, 互不認識也不稀奇! 哈, 哈, 哈. Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3125 ) 日期：2013/06/07 20:37 留言者：一家言 　　很高兴看到青玉案先生的回帖，知道你也喜欢唱粤曲，以后我俩的共同话题会更多一些了。自然规律是谁也违拗不了的，有些人以为是长青树，就尽管继续上台吧，观众是会给出客观的评价的。 　　说来是旧事重提了，当年冯刚毅刚走红时，很想拜陈×风为师，他通过深圳市文化局牵线，又送票给陈老师看冯刚毅主演的戏，据闻陈老师也去看了，但最终没答应收冯刚毅为徒。其中原因是陈觉得冯刚毅的“唱”和“做”好杂，如果陈肯收他为徒，冯便要将以前所学的东西丢掉，然后再重新学起，这对像他这样一个已经崭露头角的演员来说，是一件难事……，其中还有没有其他原因，我想一定有。 　　在省、市粤剧团的正印花旦和文武生，无不想拿个“梅花奖”，因此奖是中国戏剧界的最高业务奖项，有能力的演员都想拿这个奖给自己增加身价。跟早年相比，现时这个奖项在社会各界心目中已大掉身份，现时要想拿这个奖，除了演员有原创新剧目，表演上达到一定水准，还要给中国剧协一笔很高（据知情人说，数目上百万）的“参评费”，故很多人说今天的“梅花奖”其实是“用钱买回来的”，言下之意，今天的“梅花奖”已完全变味了！为了能迎合北方评委的口味，相关剧团还要高价请北方的导演来导戏，这些戏很多时就为了参加评奖而写、而排、而演，浪费许多纳税人的钱，参加完评奖便“接埋”了。 　　戏行拜师，古来有之，收多少红包才“够皮”，这要看各人的情况而定，名气越大的人要价则越高，这是绝对肯定的了。陈老师以前择徒极严，在七十岁以前，连冯刚毅这样的人材尚且不能入其法眼，偌大一帮演粤剧的后生不收，偏偏只收过香港电视艺员郑少秋一个徒弟。但目前郑少秋唱×腔的水准如何，又为传承陈老师的×腔艺术作过什么贡献，相信明眼人心里都有数。近年情况却是大变，唱曲艺的，做生意的，当然也要收一两个是演戏的，……都可以列入其门墙，也许真是领悟到年纪大了，真希望有人传承个人艺术吧。 　　吴晓毅作为新人，有一定基本功，在省剧院时演过一些配角，适逢黄伟坤到深圳剧团后“不太听话”，有关领导便捧另一个新人——这在内地戏行，是很常见的事。至于陈为什么肯收他为徒，辛奇士说过好像是“因为有香港的水喉撑住”（大意），就在下所知，其中还有其他不好明说的原因。从大处看，一个年轻演员要上位，离不开前辈的扶掖提携，至于你所说的“据闻陈笑风收徒弟每位要收酒席费二十万”，这就如周瑜打黄盖——一个愿挨，一个愿打，旁人有什么好说的呢？！ 　　存在主义理论家萨特说过：“存在就是合理的”，诚哉斯言。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3126 ) 日期：2013/06/08 02:04 留言者：蛇仔明 如果拜入名腔门，但又唱不好其腔(因条件不合)，反扰乱了从前所学；未得西瓜，却把芝麻丢了。你话几滑稽呢呵？ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3127 ) 日期：2013/06/08 04:07 留言者：Hawaiian 可憐的好爸爸 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3128 ) 日期：2013/06/08 06:35 留言者：tt 等我成日以為係長江六號∼臥底，邊個爆我出嚟 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3129 ) 日期：2013/06/08 08:52 留言者：蛇仔明 睇完一家言之帖，倍觉迷惘。陈老师当年唔收冯X毅为徒因其底杂，何以後来又收陈玲X？女伶腔差距咪仲大？系咪觉今是而昨非呢？抑或二十万夠起鹊桥呢？陈太或者知噃！传收第一个徒弟郑X秋，红娘系新X社，讲钱就太俗勒！ 从前梅花奖系实至名归既。自从变左钱花奖後就变了质。不过谂落又唔驶劳气吖！戏曲重虚拟，真相唔驶知，但求场戏做得好睇咪OK罗！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3130 ) 日期：2013/06/08 10:00 留言者：Kc 早晨！早晨！ 又向六條煙進發！ 大家繼續努力！ 言論自由吖馬！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3131 ) 日期：2013/06/08 12:51 留言者：KK 　　原来大老倌都系凡人，有钱就乜都掂，想收边个就边个啦。艺术值几个钱呀，其实不用劳气，有心情就自己唱，自己听，一样可以学识啫，唔使计较边个系师傅啫。大陆就话系老倌都想争个梅花奖，我地香港老倌从来唔参加评奖，咪一样咁掂。开讲话有麝自然香，好在我地香港戏迷重实际，买飞睇戏听曲时唔系咁看重呢个奖果个奖。当然更希望，大陆呢种风气唔会影响到香港戏行。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3132 ) 日期：2013/06/08 13:38 留言者：諾基亞 古語有云：食飯不入廚房，看戲不走後台，就是這個原因。 Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3133 ) 日期：2013/06/08 20:14 留言者：辛奇士 有人辞官归故里，有人漏夜赶科场。闻多年前文化局想颁梅花奖畀红线女，畀女姐婉拒了。女姐领梅花奖，咪等于孙悟空领跟斗奖、孙中山领革命奖？领果个肯屈就，颁果个都手软喇！ Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.3134 ) 日期：2013/06/08 20:44 留言者：小陳 梅花奬在廣東的豬肉好似由女姐話事咁，次次都好似要有她祝福的代表先得。

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