粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

粵曲粵劇趣味話題 (卷一）

日期：2015/04/26 22:55
留言者：KC

(微笑) 通常網上討論，好易談興正濃離了題！又來不及去談天說地版設題！不如就開個廣濶的題目！
任大家隨意發揮吧！ (表情33)
（出貼日期：2012年10月21日）上面日期乃本貼修改過的日期！

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Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1520 )
日期：2013/02/06 15:47
留言者：蕃薯

辛兄提到「字正腔圆」~令我記起黃霑~他說樂壇到現在~吐字最清楚~知道佢唱セ~~只有羅文,葉麗儀&麗沙三位
上星期看電視葉麗儀重唱上海灘~真係字字鏗鏘~~

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1521 )
日期：2013/02/06 15:57
留言者：寸草心

KC兄: 你既哥里:麥炳榮既功架,羅劍郎既嘜頭,新馬既嘴形,一起排子頭,D師父就醒醒定定馬實既叻! (表情23)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1522 )
日期：2013/02/06 18:47
留言者：辛奇士

众曲友：

首先我地要确立粤曲的宗旨系大众化，有规律但不会锱铢必计，在头发中找疤痕。音准系重要但容许有微小上下仍算食线。这弹性在相对自由行腔的梆簧里尤其重要。

Kc兄：

新马应该系C#，任白系D。大陆系正C，深圳唱局同港骚大部份系C20所以我地要习惯呢盘线，较线要时间无可能同局/同骚几盘线。点解系C20？因为正C低子女平多数翳喉，C＃业余平子喉高子又可能唔到。C20系为左迁就无声乐训练既业余唱口而创既?

Kc兄：

理论上，记谱应先於唱曲。正宗是先唱工尺後唱字。不过而家人急功近利，两三堂唔教曲已经要转导师矣。

蕃薯曲友：

流行歌的食字与粤曲的露字是有些分别的。流行歌近小曲，主音是谱死了的。粤曲梆簧除结束音外可自由行腔。为了腔之圆，字的读音有时会歪少少，限制系不能脱韵辙和引起意思上的误会。事例在粤曲中俯拾即是。您说的三位歌星两位女的学曲背境小弟唔知，罗文系学粤剧出身的。
(表情16) (沉思)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1523 )
日期：2013/02/06 19:17
留言者：寸草心

辛兄: "任白系D。" 照推仙鳳成棚都玩 "D" 個囉喎. (表情33)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1524 )
日期：2013/02/06 20:17
留言者：辛奇士

寸草心兄：

呢个小弟唔知。我唱野柴娃娃五音不全，乐理直头系门外汉。理论上任姐在场其他都应该唱D线。听讲唱D线系唐涤生建议既？或者因为任姐唱腔跌宕变化不大，但系声同情就杀晒。仙姐未拍任姐时线口低唔少，听吓佢同黄千岁个支《杜十娘》便知。拿，断估架咋！

男平唱任腔高子多数争的；女平唱B腔低子又多翳喉。
(沉思)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1525 )
日期：2013/02/06 23:15
留言者：寸草心

歐陽劍,陳錦棠,靚次伯,梁醒波 (拍掌) (表情35)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1526 )
日期：2013/02/07 01:07
留言者：tt

聽講仙姐同雛鳯練聲才開了聲，以前連孤淸清都孤唔起 (表情23)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1527 )
日期：2013/02/08 01:04
留言者：Kc

(大笑) 早晨！早晨！

玩得兩玩，又到年關近！

港居無乜事，唱句粵曲就過年！

西九大戱棚有大戱睇！

舊年十皮嘢，一早冇晒飛！今年聽講要一百皮（？）

粵劇觀眾寵壞晒！

多數好似小弟咁！最好唔駛錢！

搵唔倒食，職業演員點生活？有鬼人入行咩？

想唔沒落都唔得啦！唉！ (表情19)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1528 )
日期：2013/02/07 08:08
留言者：TL

(歡笑)
奇士兄對1=C20的解釋是正解。全世界大概只有玩粵曲的業餘人士採用。 (表情23)
作點補充：
1=D本來就是中國傳統音樂的主調，叫小工調。至今二胡定弦d-a，琵琶定弦a-d-e-a，箏定弦每組為d-e-#f-a-b;洞簫定洞音為d等等，如果用正線指法來演奏，全都是D調。這就是傳統音樂以D為主調留下的歷史痕跡。早期粵劇通用的大體上也是D調。我說明是“大體上”，是因為民間藝術缺乏嚴格的定制，要反駁我的話，很容易找到反例。1=C是中國音樂（包括戲曲音樂）與西方音樂融合的結果。
比較完整的樂隊會包括簫笛嗩吶等有固定音高的吹奏樂器。在沒有定音器的年代，其它樂器較音便以這類樂器為準。寸草兄說聽唱口哎合尺來較線的方法比較誇張，聊供一哂吧。 (表情23)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1529 )
日期：2013/02/07 08:15
留言者：TL

(歡笑) 以前用D调，調門高亢，戲棚沒有咪的時代，功不可沒。現在有咪，然後使C作主調成為可能。

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1530 )
日期：2013/02/07 08:35
留言者：寸草心

TL兄 (拍掌)
一張一馳,容易过日神;乸埋囗面,兩堂就冇晒人!小弟牛奶咀,間中將口水噴! (表情6)

Re: 粵曲粵劇趣味話題 ( No.1531 )
日期：2013/02/07 09:14
留言者：辛奇士

【字正腔圆】：

除京昆曾进宫外，戏曲是地方的民间娱乐艺术。粤曲的发展与广东地域的文化、历史、语言、音乐自然有密切关系。同时粤曲外来的东西很多，诸如梆簧、罗古、西乐、小曲都有大量省外乃至国外原素。岭南地处蛮夷，古为流放之地，文化底蕴不厚。若单凭地方音乐，不成戏曲体系。先贤大胆采用外来的音乐原素，正是粤人的实用主义与近代与内地及外国频繁交流的结果。外来的东西虽多而杂，却最後巧妙地统一在〝粤化〞的艺术洪炉里，为粤人普遍接受。艺术很少无师自通，戏曲亦自有传承。很多曲种的产生都是内外结合的，但若论杂而化的程度，粤剧粤曲可能是最深的。

今天大题目先抛砖到这里，且待曲友回应。话明系挤牙膏，每次出少少，方便集中讨论范围也。
(表情16)

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