請有心人紏正字音

請有心人紏正字音

日期：2004/07/16 01:02
留言者：几威

小弟一向對曲詞字音有意見,似乎小題大作,但請有心人紏正,誤導後來者,
我唱---七月七日長生殿---(禿起合歡情)銀漢迢迢----(條)
傾國名花---彷彿介子催---(吹)
以上括號是我的唱音都給人指唱錯,孰是孰非,或模稜兩可,中國字博大高深非我後輩能暸解?
積非成是,誠曲藝之哀!

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Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.11 )
日期：2004/07/23 14:05
留言者：丫頭

Sam,

What do you mean by that?

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.12 )
日期：2004/07/23 14:46
留言者：sam

if, and that is only if, 有好多老官都是唱錯字, then what is the point of keep talking aobut this, just like the ohter topics. Seems everyone is an expert in a single thing yet none of them concur with each other. May be there is more than one way to skin a cat.???

My problem is that i see many many many singers who has no idea of what they are singing, they cannot read notes and they cannot sing in tune, yet they are proud to show off and quick to give comments. Someone asks and wants a simple answer or guidance and yet they get a thesis in doctoate in reply.....(that is why all i request from a singer is in tune and in timing. If they cannot even do this at ease, what is the point of arguing about this very minor details.

WHy can we not keep things in perspective instead of deepening the mysterious aura of CHinese opera. AAt the end it is only a song. When I spoke to a famous singer here aboput two years ago, she was so nice, friendly, simple and she just sang and sang. No philosophy, no analystical examination of the songs. She just said to us 'how would you like me to sing it'........

If you can get to this stage.....how would you like to hear me sing.......this is the ultimate. Not you can;t do this and can;t do that.

I was not going to comment any fyurther here...so out came the faces.
I was not going

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.13 )
日期：2004/07/23 16:15
留言者：qq

sam 哥
我完全同意見你的論點 ,
( read notes and sing in tune) is more important.
但我想這裡是曲友討論區﹐ 所以才八多句啫。
所以在結尾時﹐ 已經向不同意見人士請罪 (表情11)
(( 這都是在下愚見﹐ 如有苟同﹐ 請諒。 )) copy from my last massage.
請不要見怪我多口水。 (表情6) (微笑)

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.14 )
日期：2004/07/23 16:51
留言者：丫頭

Sam,

I took another viewpoint. But don't term it "do not concur with yours". In fact I trust all of us are 有感而發, and this kind of expresson does not require any agreement or disagreement. Why not see here as an arena where all of us are free to express our views? I trust, when you said people trying to throw out a thesis long enough for doctorate exam, people are simply trying to pass out as much knowledge they have as can be and think that these knowledge will be helpful to the enquirer. I trust they are not trying to boast how knowledgeable they themselves are! Actually I admire their willingness to share their knowledge and also their willingness to spare emormous amount of time preparing the responses. You in fact are one of them! You gave me very sincere and helpful advice and encouragements!!

We all know very well that a lot of singers, especialy those of Cantonese opera, always feel proud of their own achievements and resist all sorts of criticisms/comments. They all think they have very nice voice, good rythm, right tune. I do think that is not absolutely bad - at least they find their own enjoyment in singing; but of course as long as they do not 虐待他人. On the other hand, if they could get a blow on their head (via others' notes) from this site to lead them see the truth that is also good for this site.

I trust if you relax yourself when visiting this site you will feel more easy. I think to have various kinds of comments/views is different from holding arguments. Glad that you are frank to let us know your feeling. Just wish you could relax yourself so that you'll feel more comfortable when communicating in this web.

You are an invaluable pal here! Be Happy!

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.15 )
日期：2004/07/23 17:55
留言者：sam

ha. believe me. I am relax. (表情12)
'I trust they are not trying to boast' ...I am 100% sure they are not. (表情4) (表情11) (表情6) see how relax i am!! (微笑)
i have no nasty in me. I just do not mince words, sorry.bad character

Teachers needs no help..or help from higher people. Students needs help..any kind of help...may be even bad HELP. (表情12) (大哭)

Somehow we have to talk to a child with children words. (表情4) no offence (歡笑) . What is the point of talking about the speed of light when a child only want to know how to catch a moonbeam? (沉思) (表情6)

Let composers compose, performers perform. I have read so much of 'this is not right and that is not correct.'. Why not just ah!! so different. ah!! i would sing it that way. (drinking----slurrrrrp).Don't forget these artists have their songs published and sung by famous people. Famous singers have their songs recorded and sold and bought by people .........so (好!) ....who are you to say that they are not correct!!!

Most opera teachers are i am sure knowledgeable but they are fairly lousy teacher. (大哭) why (表情4) then 99% of the students of opera never graduate. They have to take lessons for every and each song they sing, years after years. WHy. it only take 3 years for a scientist to graduate, 4 for teacher and 6 for a doctor. Then they graduate, on their own.They learn by themselves. They then teach. (表情12) (表情6) (drinking, slurrrrp)

stop now. no more gum left

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.16 )
日期：2004/07/24 16:47
留言者：qq

sam,

我只不過發表一點個人意見關於中文字讀音。現在有恨多新歌﹐ 歌詞都很多典故和不常用的﹐ 以我而言﹐ 我喜歡查看字典﹐ 明白其意思﹐ 以滿足好其心﹐ 但我是並不反對跟隨原唱者唱。
請不要誤會﹐ 這並不是表達我唱歌好與否 ﹐我從來不會隨便問人自己唱得好唔好﹐ 但每次我都喜歡錄低﹐ 找出自己錯處﹐ 加以更正。對我而言。當然我都喜歡聽好說話﹐ 但我是成年人﹐ 並不需要呼譴的稱讚。不要誤會我的意思。 (大笑)

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.17 )
日期：2004/07/24 18:07
留言者：sam

hey qq
Youhave to believe me. I have NO one in particularly when i made my comment too. At least we have something in common. I am 成年人 too. And i am not upset with you or anyone. Apart from dead 丫頭 (and I am uttering this term with friendly passion and love towards 丫頭. What do you expect when one uses a name like 丫頭? (大笑) ). you are the only person i recall that i reply directly to.

you said 以我而言﹐ 我喜歡查看字典﹐ 明白其意思﹐ 以滿足好其心. That is very special and explain your passion in seeing words precisely utilized. I admire that really.

丫頭. i apologize calling you dead 丫頭. I just can't resist. But you know i have high regard for you. (表情7)

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.18 )
日期：2004/07/25 00:50
留言者：KK

在曲詞集中，五湖泛舟(4046)第三頁，《生唱序：你知人凭慧眼，我主越王寡恩善妒，生就長頸鳥喙。》鳥喙的《喙》有唱悔、有唱胃，未知其正確的讀音為胃或悔或其他讀音呢？

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.19 )
日期：2004/07/25 02:04
留言者：Tim

黃錫凌《粵音韻彙》http://humanum.arts.cuhk.edu.hk/Lexis/Canton/

喙同音字悔, 晦, 誨

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.20 )
日期：2004/07/25 05:15
留言者：KK

Tim：

你介紹的《粵音韻彙》很有用，謝謝！ (拍掌)

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.21 )
日期：2004/07/25 06:28
留言者：billy

唱五湖泛舟時, 識o野o既就會唱喙, 更加識o野o既就唱胃, 想太多則無謂

Re: 請有心人紏正字音 ( No.22 )
日期：2004/07/25 07:29
留言者：qq

sam,
多謝你的回覆﹐ 我學粵曲只有幾年時間。所以我都喜歡
留意他人學習的方法來補充自己。
有幾位常常上網的網友﹐ 他們供給的資料﹐ 我一般都有留意
及記下來。
由于這個網站﹐ 現在我學會一些中文打字的皮毛 ﹐但當然好慢那只。 (微笑) 因我以前是一點也不懂的。意思是這個網站﹐
真是有幫忙的。
需然這裡的網友﹐ 大家都不認識﹐ 但好多都好熱心幫助其他人﹐ 使我感覺有好幾位已成為好朋友。所以不想大家有誤會。再次多謝你的回覆。
也多謝丫頭 ﹐ 你的參與。 (表情7) (好!)

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