工尺譜 日期：2004/11/28 19:32 留言者：kentSifu 各位網友: 拜讀各網友于留言版近日對工尺譜的議論及見解,增益不少. 以下是我對工尺譜的心得,希望各位看後給我些少意見. Ø 工尺譜不是粵曲專有---- 其它劇種亦用工尺譜.簡譜是民國後才比較普遍通行.至解放後國內提倡改用簡譜.(所以很多國內的樂師看不懂工尺譜). Ø 近代(民國及以前)多用工尺譜---- 比如劉天華原作的十首二胡大作和其它琵琶樂章原是用工尺譜記譜. 很多其它樂器用的樂譜亦是用工尺記譜.再古老些(先秦)則多用琴譜或指譜. Ø 外省用的工尺譜和廣東的略有不同---- 不同的地方主要是高音和低音的表達方法不同.廣東用”亻”代表低音,用”彳”代表高音. Ø 工尺譜用文字來表達音位.綫譜用豆點的綫位,簡譜用數字. Ø 工尺譜和簡譜是relative pitch, 綫譜是absolute pitch. Ø 工尺譜唱法是用普通話音,綫譜和簡譜的唱法是用sophagio—do,re,mi,… Ø 工尺譜的節拍是用板叮X\作表達,明顯地標出板腔的節奏.綫譜和簡譜則用barline來指出板的位置. Ø 綫譜和簡譜的記譜方法是相等的,有1:1關係. Ø 工尺譜和綫譜或簡譜不同---- 不同處有: Ø Ø“、”是代表休止,不是半音 Ø Ø時值是用弧綫表達 Ø Ø音量和速度沒有精細的表達方法. Ø 綫譜用豆點,對開始有老花的朋友的眼睛沒有太多壓力. Ø 簡譜對弱視的朋友比較吃力. Ø 工尺譜因為和歌詞一樣,更適宜於劇本用---- 主要用於表達劇情,方便演釋,所以不能用太祥盡的音樂表達.不能喧賓奪主. 我各種記譜方法都用.亦能看綫譜簡譜而唱工尺,亦能看工尺譜而唱do,re,mi. 一個人拉二胡彈琵琶或吹簫笛喜用放大的簡譜,樂團演奏,吉他鋼琴或彈奏和音樂器或距離遠時則喜用綫譜,唱戲或伴奏粵曲時則喜用工尺譜. 其實我主要是要看曲牌,叮板和頓韻,七字清,南音和中板則看字音,很少要用工尺.唯一要用工尺是新的未玩過的小曲,但很少有這情形. 若果想唱粵曲更好聽,更有味道,一定要明白曲詞的意思,由心裡唱出來,一定要投入,是沒有餘㗇暇看工尺,簡譜,或綫譜的. 工尺譜是不同的記譜方法,但有它的强匡,亦有它的缺點.工尺譜加上明確的弧綫,己能做到context free.能夠完全表達到任何音樂的音韻和時值,至於其它的要求,如力度,跌宕,速度等則比較弱些,但我們因為用於唱戲,記譜的方法愈簡單愈好.

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Re: 工尺譜 ( No.24 ) 日期：2004/12/29 20:01 留言者：venus 多謝亞 ! 我已經好俾心機查字典架嘞, 你原諒我啦! 我冇諗過學唱粵曲要識英文架........???? i no think over learn chinese songs need know ABC, sorry! ( 小 venus 本性捣疍, 勿怪! ) qq, 係呀....係呀....小venus 唔係幾識英文架, 估估吓架咋! 各位識寫中文o既 師傅, 高人, 前輩, 請不論賜教啦! 最好用工尺譜解釋. 小venus一定好學不倦, 不會嘥各位一番高情雅意架! Re: 工尺譜 ( No.25 ) 日期：2004/12/29 15:01 留言者：unclechin 我以前問過師父咩叫反線,佢話正線係c調,反線=g調,在琴健上,g調的d就是c調的f,我未學過樂理,好多野都係一知半解,不過照咁理解反線應該高正線四度,何解又會有個'反線小曲 是否唱時要用比正線低四度聲線去唱呢?"頭痕,頭痕! 小venus規行矩步,言行慬慎,一言一字,如履薄冰,如臨深淵,何來搗蛋,搗蛋混蛋者乃unclechin也! Re: 工尺譜 ( No.26 ) 日期：2004/12/29 15:25 留言者：qq Venus, 我跟你差不多估估下架喳，加上我缺少樂理細胞潻。 所以呼籲高人可以指點下。 Sam 哥和Unclechin 的一蕃樂理，正是我每次 想唔通的地方, 等我慢慢咀嚼消化。 立哥這個場真是伏虎藏龍，深藏不露的大有人在， 希望我入寶山不會空手回。 Re: 工尺譜 ( No.27 ) 日期：2004/12/29 17:35 留言者：Sam g調的d就是c調的f wrong g調的d.........you should say ,g調的doe, or ,g調的1 using a,b,c,d,e to denote both the 調 and the 音 is confusing. g調的 doe 就是c調的 5 or g調的 1 就是c調的5 Re: 工尺譜 ( No.28 ) 日期：2004/12/29 18:51 留言者：unclechin 多謝sam sir的指正,其實我都唔係好清楚,只係依稀記得d,得你不吝賜較,多謝! 1+4=5咁o既數都計錯,醜死鬼! 我一直誤以為drmfslt=1234567.失禮!失禮! qq: 我識d乜鬼野樂理呀, 唔好耍我啦! Re: 工尺譜 ( No.29 ) 日期：2004/12/29 20:39 留言者：venus 亞 , 其實你一講我就明喇. 即係話唱(反線--上)時, 就要好似唱(正線--合)音一樣, 係咪! 我蠢唔晒架, 再教啦! 不琢不成器 不學不知理嘛! unclechin, 你唔好咁讚我啦, 我會嚇"史"架" ! qq, 多謝你! Re: 工尺譜 ( No.30 ) 日期：2004/12/29 20:45 留言者：Sam drmfslt=1234567 correct. we all know what you mean. 'but as i said , using a,b,c,d,e to denote both the 調 and the 音 is confusing. so get into the habit of using 1234567 NOT drmfslt Alphabet to be used to denote the key only basically C is C key (or 調), is 正線 G is G key, is 反線 try to demystify the myths that I always mention, do not make too much words about music........the sound of 反線--上 or 1 = sound of 正線--合 or 5 (/.) simple as that. Re: 工尺譜 ( No.31 ) 日期：2004/12/30 20:36 留言者：unclechin yes sir. thank you sir. 不過我又有d頭痕o勒! 照之前(no.27)所講,我做咗個表: 咁:[即係話唱(反線--上)時, 就要好似唱(正線--合)音一樣,][sound of 反線--上 or 1 = sound of 正線--合 or 5 (/.)]即係點呀! 賜教!賜教! Re: 工尺譜 ( No.32 ) 日期：2004/12/31 06:35 留言者：李維 咦﹗unclechin, 你個表做得很好﹐請問用乜方法制作﹖ Let me try to clarify the mystery of keys. First we must establish a sound, tone or note that we all can all understand. We will use the sound of C of the piano keyboard, since 粵曲 is based on this key or 調式. Now we will call the sound (note) "C" = 1 (C即是doe). So whenever we sing in 正線或乙反 the 1 sound is the piano C note. (Yes, someone will say they sing in C+20, but thats another topic.) Now if we take the keyboard C and bring it up the latter we have C D E F G A B or 1 2 3 4 5 6 7. Life is good while we are in the C 調, but some songs require either a lower or higher tone frequency or a different mood and hence some songs will be sang in different keys just to make life complicated and interesting. One such popular key is the key of G, we call it 反線。I honestly don't know why it call 反線, my guess is that the 5 in the two 二胡絃 is switched when the key is changed. This key uses the piano note of "G" = 1. If we play the G scale on the piano we will find that new sound of 1 in G is also the 5 sound of C. Etc... It is simple as thatcas far as 正或反線. Off course there are more to that in musiology, a 粵曲 singer really don't need to go too deep unless he or she wants a career in singing. Re: 工尺譜 ( No.33 ) 日期：2004/12/31 08:07 留言者：Sam 即係話唱(反線--上)時, 就好似要唱(正線--合)音一樣 this should be 即係話唱(反線--上)時, is 唱(正線--合)音. (Not 好似 but IS . we have to be certain, do not use terms like 好似) 即係 sound of 反線--上 or 1 = sound of 正線--合 or 5 (/.)] same thing understand or digest this first. Your diagram is absolutely correct. My 5(/.) means a dot under 5. I cannot make pictures like you do. Re: 工尺譜 ( No.34 ) 日期：2004/12/31 11:44 留言者：unclechin 李維,sam 兩位亞sir: 承教!承教!資質問題! 資質問題! 個表係用powerpoint做o既,見笑!見笑! Re: 工尺譜 ( No.35 ) 日期：2004/12/31 13:46 留言者：Sam sound of 反線--上 or 1 = sound of 正線--合 or 5 (/.)] there are certain things in life that you have to accept and just remember without questioning...like 12345678910 11 12 13 etc like abcedfghijklmnopqr......etc so just accept this fact and remember it. it is difficult to teach like this. can only try.

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