 Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.42 ) |
日期：2004/10/11 14:36
留言者：qq
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venus,
在 11/8/04 我 寄出 E-mail 去你的郵址,
(venusomygod@yahoo.com.hk), 不知你收到沒有?
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.45 ) |
日期：2004/11/14 19:00
留言者：lu
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雨光君:
我涊為要唱好一首歌, 有高人指点是运氣。但指点之后還是靠学者自己的悟性與努力才可成功。有些人天生悟性，一点就明是幸运。 悟徃也是可以学習的, 但取决於个別的学習態度 - 楔而不捨與永不言敗。可惜的是很多同学是缺少這些成功元素。
閣下列舉之例, "老師便說﹕很容易﹐你當你自己是高人一等﹐側便人矮你一截﹐那時﹐你的高音便出得很靚了。但我的朋友照做都沒有改善問題。" 令明眼人一聽而莞薾, 不過閣下的朋友如奉聖旨，照做如而, 真是夫復何言。但我認為曲不離口，日唱夜唱，一定會唱倒的。 當然, 你的朋友要確定自己唱歌的目的 - 是自娛還是娛人？假如是前者, 一个月从老師处学一首歌, 再反覆練唱一年半戴就是了。
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.66 ) |
日期：2004/11/19 03:02
留言者：sam
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Amen
But next time do not disguise as a man la.  |
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.68 ) |
日期：2004/11/19 04:53
留言者：雨光
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lu,
您好﹐謝謝您的留言﹐由于我這幾天沒空溜覽網頁﹐故遲了回覆。見諒。
您的見解正確﹐聰明及資質好的人﹐當然一點就明﹐任何人點佢地﹐佢地都會明﹐但一位好的老師﹐是有教無類﹐無論聰明及不聰明的都要教﹐特別不聰明的更加需要老師的幫忙。 我相信每位老師都希望教好自己的學生﹐這是無可置疑﹐但如果老師用一些抽象方式教授﹐未必每一位學生受惠。用回我的例子﹐高音唱得不好﹐如果回到實質的問題﹐應該是發聲的問題﹐又或是攞音攞得不準確﹐或是不夠氣托住高音等等﹐跟本與高人一等或低人一等原全沒有關係。
當然﹐就算老師用實質的教學方式﹐每一位學生接收能力都不同﹐正如您所講。舉例﹐唱好一首歌是終點﹐方法是跑道﹐聰明的學生是兔仔﹐不聰明的學生是龜仔﹐老師是公証。公証是有責任去令每一位參賽者必須在指定的跑道上跑﹐不能離開跑道跑﹐以免參賽者走冤枉路。這樣﹐兔仔必定先到終點﹐但龜仔都一定會到終點﹐可能慢一點﹐因為只要跟著條跑道跑﹐不離軌﹐一定會到終點。
但如果公証沒有做好責任﹐兔仔﹐龜仔都有可能離開跑道跑﹐那是候﹐公証想追回參賽者走在跑道上時﹐相信追兔仔所花的氣力必定比追龜仔的大﹐因為兔仔都跑到無雷公咁遠﹐唔知點追。
所以﹐跑道是到終點重要的路﹐公証是在參賽過程中負責監察工作﹐不許犯錯﹐有了這樣的環境﹐參賽者只需向前跑﹐終點必在望。否則﹐越走越遠﹐終點無望。
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.69 ) |
日期：2004/11/19 06:50
留言者：not sam
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real life character training!!!
oops!, not suppose to talk rubbish here. |
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.70 ) |
日期：2004/11/19 12:29
留言者：unclechin
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sorry
I will not misuse the Board for social greeting purpose again
all rubbish of mine are cleaned
我以後會尊重所有主題的作者或提問者，以及毋使其他對該主題有興趣的曲友誤以為有新回應
我會自律o架啦!  自律是金呀馬!我知,我知,
i really need to behave myself, I know, I know
自律! 自慓!
下次唔敢啦!
冇下次啦!
我以後都唔敢啦!
其實我知到錯o羅,須知我講多錯多!
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.71 ) |
日期：2004/11/19 13:45
留言者：丫頭
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講一次係知錯, 講多幾次係知錯犯錯。嘻嘻！ |
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.72 ) |
日期：2004/11/19 14:23
留言者：lu
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雨光君:
Re: Role of a teacher & success
Sorry have to write in English cos' my Chinese writing software is playing up and not functioning.
There is little doubt that the teacher's role is one of the essential factors towards the success of any teaching/learning (TL) activities. The other two essential factors are the "individual student" and the
"TL environment". We can ignore the latter and focus on the first two factors for discussion. The
reason is obvious, amateurs like us do not have a proper TL environment.
I believe that all genuine teachers from my experience are responsible and would do their best to help every student in their care to achieve the objectives of learning. To these teachers, the difference
among students is the amount of time that individual student is required to achieve the set goal. As
you point out correctly that some need more time than the others and the teacher's role is to make
sure that they will not be off track and thus increase the unnecssary TL time. (Of course, if the
sudent does not have the determination to persevere and believethat there is a short cut or seceret
receipe, or in the worst scenario that they beliieve money can buy anything, this is something no one can help). They could achieve what they want to achieve, in a given "track" but in no definite time
frame. For example, I have seen people spent 9 hours to finish the precsrbed Marathon track of 42.2 k
overseas. Unfortuanately this could not be possible happening in HK - you will be asked to get on the pick-up bus by the 5th hour of the race. That means we maybe quite use to that "win" or "lose"
thing, but not to the "enjoy life" culture.
I believe that everybody can sing a song properly ie in tune and in rythm, if they are determined
and find it enjoyable to do so. By the way, with the advanced of electronic technology, we can learn a song and the even the movements through studying the karaoke. Without a lousy and irresponsible
teacher or not in fact would not affect your pleasure to enjoy singing.
Attitude is a factor that always affect the quality of TL. Personally, I enjoy singing simply because I like it. I take on people's advice, but for some reasons, some classmates and teachers appear to
complicated the simple task of singing with the difficult interpersonal relationships and said things
irresponsibly, as mentioned in your first story about your friends.
Finally, my little experience about getting the correct high pitch is only one word "practice". Practice
makes perfect. Or, just lower the key to suit individual's genetic make-up. (Even some professional
singers do that!). My other ways to achieve that is to do more runs and swims ( I was pretty serious
at one stage and they help of course, this is all about incresing ny own berathing capacity - trust me
there is no short cut).
Good luck to your friend and all my fellow opera lovers and wish us continue to enjoy this marvellous
cultural activity without the contamination of the nasty human elements.
Cheers
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.73 ) |
日期：2004/11/21 06:09
留言者：雨光
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lu,
您好﹐謝謝您的回覆﹐我非常喜歡您的用字”enjoy",如果用享受的心情來接受困難的挑戰﹐這樣﹐人生變更加有意義了﹐無論成功與否﹐起碼已擁有享受的快樂。
我衷心希望我的曲友和您的曲友努力練習﹐盡情地去享受唱曲的快樂﹐衷心希望大家唱多D靚歌﹗  |
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.74 ) |
日期：2004/11/26 15:02
留言者：lu
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雨光君:
Thanks for supporting my view of enjoying life. I sincerely wish
that all my country mates could "enjoy life" - a real one.
We shall sing along everyday and enjoy it regardless.
lu
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.75 ) |
日期：2004/12/03 20:56
留言者：老黄
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各位：你地倾偈用中文好唔好，搞到我地呢D洋文盲都唔知你地噏乜！毕竟大家都是中国人，而且倾D又系粤曲内容，让多D人听听，不是更好吗？拜托了。唔该，唔该。 |
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| Re: 我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的 ( No.76 ) |
日期：2004/12/03 21:25
留言者：lu
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老黃君:
我相信用英文寫是因為貪方便。要知道打中文是很費力的，可以用九牛二虎來形容。加上在国外慣用英文書写, 而我相信立兄網頁的讀者遍佈世界, 寫英文作為遘通工具应该不会有大問題的。
我和雨光君的对話内容是討論老師和學生的教學关係。結論是學粤曲的朋友, 应該以亨受生活的態度来處理學習時遇到的難处, 特別是高音的問題。不要計較得失。
Lu 上
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我衷心地相信每位粵曲老師都希望教好自己的學生的